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Improper Storage Of Building Materials - Do Unto Others...

Improper storage of building materials - do unto others...

The temperature during this morning pre-drywall inspection was 10F.  During the night before the temperature had dropped to 5F.

The drywall had already been loaded into the house.

Along with all the materials.

They had been in the house for a couple of days.

We had been having a real cold snap.  And daytime and night time temperatures were frigid.

As usual I had arrived at the house before my clients.

Looking around, when I got to the upper level, this is what I saw.

Drywall joint compound was there, in powder and in wet form.

And all four of the buckets you see in the photo were frozen solid.

This is what the label said about storing these buckets.  "To prevent spoilage and freezing, maintain temperature at a minimum of 50F..."

Kerosene heaters were already placed in the house to keep it warm after the drywall was installed and this joint compound used to finish the work.

Would the person delivering the sheetrock and materials for his house left the joint compound in sub-freezing temperatures for days?  Would the building supervisor for his house?

Certainly not.  Then do unto others as you would want them to do unto you.

When I pointed this out to my clients I said that common sense would dictate that these buckets be protected from freezing, and that this joint compound could not be used.  How they can make sure of that I don't know.  But they should.

My recommendation:  this post is not to sound preachy.  To store materials in this way does not show common sense or good business practice.  It does not show a caring attitude.  And the builder's supervisor knows the schedule.  He knows when this was delivered and when it is due to be used on the walls.  He also knows the kind of weather we had been having.  This is not a good sign.  If I was buying this house I would wonder about many other things!

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 30 commentsJay Markanich • January 11 2018 09:01AM

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Good morning, Jay Markanich just the thought of the builder using that spoiled compound is NOT a good thought!

Posted by Barbara Todaro, "Franklin MA Homes" (RE/MAX Executive Realty ) about 1 month ago

Sounds like common sense did not prevail on the part of this builder !

Posted by Sally K. & David L. Hanson, WI Realtors - Luxury - Divorce - Short Sale (Keller Williams 414-525-0563) about 1 month ago

Good morning Jay. Things like this make me cringe. I am sure it happens a lot and if you hadn't been there the buyers would never have known. Shameful.

Posted by Sheila Anderson, The Real Estate Whisperer Who Listens 732-715-1133 (Referral Group Incorporated) about 1 month ago

Building Superintendants.... don't get me started... lol! Did you give it the taste test?

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) about 1 month ago

I have never tried, Barbara, but who knows how old it is and for how long it was frozen.  Bottom line - it's ruined!

S&D - to be sure.  I KNOW they knew that stuff had been there during that big freeze.  They were from India and did not understand 50F so well.  I explained that meant 10C (cause I have one of those phone things, and done did look it up!).  They were shocked!

Sheila - I actually had them read the label so they understood.  Eyes got wide!

Fred - to everyone's chagrin, we could not get the covers off.  Frozen solid!  Too bad because with a little drippy fudge that stuff is delicious!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

Thanks for the update and information. I have been wating for the new house thing to settle down and you settle in.

Posted by Joe Pryor, REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties (The Virtual Real Estate Team) about 1 month ago

Jay- it's sad when people who are supposed to be professionals in their trade don't follow the Golden Rule. 

Posted by Kathy Streib, Home Stager - Palm Beach County,FL -561-914-6224 (Room Service Home Staging) about 1 month ago

Joe - I could have a couple of posts a week about whacky new construction stuff!

Kathy -the company professionally dropped everything off!

Years ago I had a post on AR about the Golden Rule and also posted it on my website.  It is a very well-liked blog.

http://www.jaymarinspect.com/golden-rule-business.html

There are many things most people wouldn't do on their own houses that they might on somebody else's.  And  that is too bad.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

I can attest to the cold temperatures!  That cold snap we just had was one for the record books.  To leave anything out in this weather is just asking for trouble.

Posted by Stephen Weakley (Nationwide Mortgage Services) about 1 month ago

Well, Stephen, I hope they got some trouble from my clients!  I made the strict point that that joint compound should not be thawed and used.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

                                                                    

Posted by Kathy Streib, Home Stager - Palm Beach County,FL -561-914-6224 (Room Service Home Staging) about 1 month ago

Thanks for sharing,, hadnt thought about building materials!

 

Posted by Lesley Wilson-VanGoethem, Residential Real Estate Sales Specialist (Innovative Realty Solutions Group) about 1 month ago

Thank you Kathy!  Always good to know people are being informed!

Lesley - good of you to stop by!  I try to have informative posts.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

Sad indeed.  Yes, a lot of materials need to be kept at 50 degrees or higher.  When we do flooring over both the cold and hot months, I remind everyone that if new house, heat/AC needs to be installed before wood even arrives and if someone buying a new house/not living there, temps need to be 65-70 when wood arrives all the way through 30 days after last coat of poly.

 

Pathetic that anyone would order or store materials in an area below 50...and below freezing...and even worse w/ recent temps.  Pathetic.

Posted by Debbie Gartner, The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers (The Flooring Girl) about 1 month ago

Sadly, this is something I would expect of sub-contractors.  My expectations are pretty low after having our house built.

Posted by Chris Ann Cleland, Associate Broker, Northern VA (Long and Foster REALTORS®, Gainesville, VA) about 1 month ago

Debbie - you remember when I did my living/dining room floors I know.  Even then I put the flooring in the room for a day before I installed it and the temps were very warm in the house being summer.   But to think this joint compound would "thaw" to be used on the drywall is, to use your word, pathetic.

Chris Ann - you've told me a couple of things!  Just this week I went to replace the light fixture in the hall bathroom and what I found BEHIND and hidden by the fixture base was unbelievable.  It has taken me all week to install a proper junction box, remove and replace drywall, and do all the work to the wall, which I have yet to prime and paint!  I haven't gotten to the light fixture.  We have a lamp in there plugged into the wall!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

Jay, we've been involved in a lot of new home construction. I've seen this more times than I can remember. 

Posted by Mike Cooper, Your Winchester, VA Real Estate Sales Pro (Cornerstone Business Group Inc) about 1 month ago

Yeah, Mike, it was about time for the post to vent a little!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

Suyrprising how these things are treated when there are cold snaps as we have been having.

Posted by Nick & Trudy Vandekar, 610-203-4543, Tredyffrin Easttown Realtors, Philly Main Line (Long & Foster Real Estate Inc 610-225-7400) about 1 month ago

Often people have given little consideration when planned.

Posted by Sam Shueh, mba, cdpe, reopro, pe ( (408) 425-1601) about 1 month ago

Your last line is exactly what I was thinking as I was reading...what else wasn't handled correctly in that house?

Posted by Sharon Tara, New Hampshire Home Stager (Sharon Tara Transformations) about 1 month ago

Well, N&T, they need to be treated differently, like we would if they were our property!

Sam - my biggest beef with the construction industry of the last 20 years is that it has gotten less and less professional.  My posts point that out, often!

Sharon - and there was lots to report!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

I don't want to get started on sloppy, uncaring, unethical, untruthful contractors. Since we've been working on the remodel of my son's rental property, I've had to deal with too many rotters.

Posted by Marte Cliff, your real estate writer (Marte Cliff Copywriting) about 1 month ago

Marte - picture me with ears larger than Lyndon Johnson and Milton Berle.  I hear you!

Life experience is a cruel but very effective teacher.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

First thing...too cold.  More importantly...you pointed out what appears to be a general lack of detail in the process.  You last sentence is spot on!

Posted by Gary L. Waters, Broker Owner, Waters Realty of Brevard, LLC, ... a small office, delivering big service! (Waters Realty of Brevard, LLC) about 1 month ago

Thank you Gary.  And I did wonder.  And I did find a lot of things!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

This proves that if the experts give you good advice and that's what you paid for, you should pay attention and obey the instructions.

Posted by Carolyn Roland-Historic Homes For Sale In Delaware and S. Chester County PA, Carolyn Roland, GRI, CRS (Patterson-Schwartz Real Estate) about 1 month ago

Thanks Carolyn.  Paint and drywall companies have temperature restrictions for chemical reasons, not willy nilly thinking.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

For many, the sale is all that is important. But a good practice is to help the consumer see past the sale and not have headaches like your story produced.

Great post. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by John Wiley, Lee County, FL Real Estate GRI, SRES,GREEN,PSA (Jones & Co. Realty) about 1 month ago

And thank you for stopping by, John!  I've  been posting here for a long time.  Enjoy!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 1 month ago

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