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When Unprofessional "Roofers" Have Never Heard Of OSHA

When unprofessional "roofers" have never heard of OSHA.

Many roofs in our neighborhood got shredded by a tornado in April.  Mine included.

Of course I hired a professional I have known for over 20 years - licensed to the hilt, insured, professional in every way.   And voted the best roofer in Virginia.

The first thing I noticed on the morning of my roofing job was the harness and ropes in many places around my house.

Why is this important?  It means my professional roofer understands the 2017 OSHA safety rules regarding residential roofing.  The rule, called The Final Rule, requires harnesses and rope restraints (called Fall Protection) for everyone on a high roof, and a rope descending system when coming down.

Obeying these rules means the homeowner is protected and not responsible for falls.  How could the homeowner be responsible for falls?  If OSHA rules are not obeyed, do you think Workman's Comp Insurance, and liability insurance, would cover an accident?  So who would be on the hook instead?  You don't think a lawyer would come after the homeowner's insurance?

Many neighbors asked me who I used for my roof.  And many opted instead for the unprofessional storm chaser companies to do their roof.  Why?  Money I guess, hoping they can make money from the claim.  All I paid was my deductible, which is what I am supposed to pay.

I watched various roofs getting new shingles all over the neighborhood, and it was a parade of clown cars at the circus.  And the lousy work included lesser-quality materials, and then not installing things required by code, like ice shield, drip edges, kick-out flashing, etc. 

AND NO OSHA SAFETY RULES OBEYED!

It was unbelievable.

Consider the house just across the street from me.

The company sent 4 people to do this roof (my roofer sent 6 to do my house).  They had two trucks with no company name, and only one ladder which was too short!  Consider some photos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Photo left - the ladder should extend 3' above the roof and be secured to the roof or gutter.  Any harness or fall protection ropes for him?  No ice shield was used, although many rolls of it were placed on top of the roof. 

Photo right - to get to the lower roof, for safety (!?) one "roofer" holds a step ladder perched on the truck bed while another "roofer" uses the gutter to get onto the roof. 

 

 

Photo left - this "roofer," no harness or rope restraint, uses the gutter for support as he measures to cut a shingle.

Photo right - on the other side he actually glued the shingle on with roof tar, no nails.  How could he have possibly nailed it into place anyway?  Later, from the same position, he glued the flashing into place using the same "support" techniques.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Photo left - later, shingle nailer (black shirt) noticed the shingles weren't parallel with the top of the roof.  So he called in a tape measure (white shirt), and boss (green shirt) to figure out a solution.

Photo right - they decided to split the difference for each course going up so they could fudge the result having the top course line up with the apex of the roof.  They ran chalk lines all the way up so each course would line up with the measured fudge job, and the parallel appearance would hold!

Photo left - after the fudge job measurements were complete and the chalk lines snapped, it was time to get rid of stuff so they could finish the job.  Here white shirt is throwing ice shield off the roof, the ice shield they never used.  The white rolls were the ice shield.  They were probably returned to the store later for cash, at the expense of my neighbor and/or insurance company.

Photo right - black shirt is throwing the unused rope for the rope restraint system.  It wasn't really needed - there were no harnesses or attachment clips anyway.
I could go on and on with the fun photos!

In this last photo black shirt is carrying down a box of nails.  I think they used staples for the roofing (which are not approved), so these nails were also probably returned to the store.  For cash...

Also, OSHA ladder rules require two hands on the ladder at all times, and a rope descending system to be used when coming off a high roof.  Notice the cheap ladder bending under the weight!!

DO YOU THINK THESE "ROOFERS" ARE LICENSED?
I would bet money they are not.

My recommendation:  check out your contractors before they begin work!  Make sure they are licensed and insured and professional!  My professional roofer gave me a written 12 year warranty on installation and against leaks!  My shingle manufacturer gave me a written 15 year warranty against wind damage!  It's not my business, but I wonder what guarantees or warranties my neighbors in the neighborhood got.

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 32 commentsJay Markanich • October 14 2017 07:40AM

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What do you know.  A post.

After about 30 tries to get the photos and verbiage to line up they still would not, and I gave up.

But, here 'tis.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

Wow, and what a post! I have to admit our roof was redone about 5 years ago and I don't remember any harness/ropes or safety equipment being used. 

Thanks for your persistence to get this posted!

Posted by Kat Palmiotti, The House Kat (Grand Lux Realty, Monroe NY, 914-419-0270, kat@thehousekat.com) over 1 year ago

Thanks Kat.  I have been trying to post this for a while.  I hope the problems with AR have been fixed, but I still had problems getting the photos and words to line up properly.

As to the roofers, while I was watching them I called them the Clown Crew.  Pathetic.  I don't know who the roofing company is, but these guys came from 7-11.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

Jay Markanich the ONLY time I've ever seen that done by a roofer was on the YMCA in Franklin being reroofed... commercial job.... professional job!!!

Posted by Barbara Todaro, Marketing Agent for The Todaro Team (RE/MAX Executive Realty ) over 1 year ago

The other job I watched in my neighborhood was also across the street to the right of the subject house here, Barbara.  They were a similarly funny Clown Crew.

One house up the street said the roofer used staples!  I think they did that across the street here too.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

OSHA SMOSHA... git er done! You usually get what you pay for! I do a lot of pre drywall and one year warranty inspections and go to lots of community jobsites, it's alway amazing to me the craziness I see with the workers. Sadly, the builders get what they pay for too!!

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) over 1 year ago

Do do a lot of 10-12 pitches in Oklahoma City for Dallas Style exteriors so this is essential.

Posted by Joe Pryor, REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties (The Virtual Real Estate Team) over 1 year ago

Fred - those guys have never heard the word OSHA.  They probably don't know such an agency exists.  That was not a builder but the roofing company!  Or the "pros" the roofing company sent.

Joe - minimum standards to be met are the same pretty much everywhere, but still - THEY ARE MINIMUM!  And this clown crew was less than that. 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

Jay- you know, I bet there are a lot of homeowners who may not realize that if something goes wrong, their homeowner's insurance may be the one to take the hit. 

Posted by Kathy Streib, Home Stager - Palm Beach County,FL -561-914-6224 (Room Service Home Staging) over 1 year ago

Kathy - that and all the false claims add up to why premiums are so high or vary from neighborhood to neighborhood.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

                        Thank you Jay Markanich 

Posted by Kathy Streib, Home Stager - Palm Beach County,FL -561-914-6224 (Room Service Home Staging) over 1 year ago

Thanks Kathy!  Roof accidents are very common and when people like the crew across the street do the work on your house it's best not to assume they are professionals.  Hire the best, not the cheap storm chasers.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

I love your ongoing narration.  I could have watched the same scene, and not understood what was going on.

Posted by Alan May, Helping you find your way home. (Coldwell Banker Residential) over 1 year ago

I can see why Kathy chose your post this week...great stuff!

Posted by Kristin Johnston - REALTOR®, Giving Back With Each Home Sold! (RE/MAX Realty Center ) over 1 year ago

Yikes! I wouldnt want to be up there without a safety harness. I hope all these "roofers" made it home without broken bones.

Posted by Ben DeHaven, Proudly serving Winter Haven & Lakeland, Florida (Haven Realty & Investments) over 1 year ago

Alan - I was in my office doing reports and laughing over and over.  What a joke.  My roofer had more laughs, no doubt, when I sent him this post link.

Kristin - what, you need Kathy S to find my posts?  I'm embarrassed for you!

Ben - they all climbed down (the weak ladder) at the end of the adventure, with my neighbor wise to none of it.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

Good morning Jay. I think this is really eye opening and I appreciate the photos too.

Posted by Sheila Anderson, The Real Estate Whisperer Who Listens 732-715-1133 (Referral Group Incorporated) over 1 year ago

And this has gone on and on all over my neighborhood, Sheila! 

Except my house.  That post is yet future.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

This is a classic example of you get what you pay for. Real value comes at a price. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by Corey Martin, Real Estate and Management Solutions (Martin Presence Group) over 1 year ago

Holy smokes Jay - that is just nuts what those guys are doing. A few years back we had a huge hail storm and there were many, many roofs destroyed 300,000 I think. There were a ton of these unlicensed roofers in town and I wasn't surprised to hear some folks were fine by using them.  We chose our trusted local licensed roofer.  To this day I run into sellers that have no warranty for their roofs and have run into issues when trying to sell.....what can I say....not much. We have our guys fix the issue and sometimes it's not so cheap.

Posted by Anna Banana Kruchten CRB, CRS 602-380-4886, Arizona's Top Banana! (Phoenix Property Shoppe) over 1 year ago

Scary stuff, Jay, and they and ther company are clueless, as are the homeowners. Heaven forbid something should happen.

Jeff

Posted by Jeff Dowler, CRS, The Southern California Relocation Dude (Solutions Real Estate ) over 1 year ago

It is, Corey, and I expect that sooner or later problems will arise!

AB - the boomerang always comes back.  I have heard that if you think a professional is expensive wait until you hire an amateur!

Jeff - or not so cluless.  You think the company doesn't know they aren't putting ice shield on the houses?  One day one of those guys is going to use a gutter for support and it's not going to hold him!  Or that cheap ladder will collapse.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

Good afternoon Jay - I am due to replace my 30 year old roof and this information will come in handy.

Posted by Grant Schneider, Your Coach Helping You Create Successful Outcomes (Performance Development Strategies) over 1 year ago

I'm wondering if you showed any of this to the neighbor and what their reaction was if you did. 

Seems there could be some kind of legal action taken against these guys with these pictures.

Posted by Sharon Tara, New Hampshire Home Stager (Sharon Tara Transformations) over 1 year ago

I had anxiety looking at those pictures (not kidding). It reminded me of one I observed recently.ladder fail

Posted by Anthony Kirlew, Helping You Make Fiscally Sound Choices (Keller Williams Legacy One Realty) over 1 year ago

Grant - find a qualified roofer and go for it!  Check the rules.  Any true professional will act so in every way.

Sharon - my wife has sworn me to secrecy.  If they ask me I might share a link to this blog!

I had anxiety watching them Anthony!  And the ladder in your photo is too far from the building..

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

I always handle large projects like I would at work.  At least three quotes, research into the companies licensing and then references.   Then stay home to monitor the work in progress.

Posted by Stephen Weakley (Nationwide Mortgage Services) over 1 year ago

Stephen - that roof is well done, with the requisite 2' of ice shield at the bottom of the roof AND synthetic underlayment (instead of tar paper).  Plus, fall protection harnesses!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

So important for homeowners to understand the consequences and differences with licensed roofers!  Great, informative post Jay!

Posted by Jan Green, HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN (Value Added Service, 602-620-2699) over 1 year ago

Thanks Jan.  It is important to understand that with every trade!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

I learned a lot from this post. I will bookmark it and share it with others

Posted by Gita Bantwal, REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel (RE/MAX Centre Realtors) over 1 year ago

That's the intent, Rita!  There was a lot going on there, and those who foist unprofessional work on people will eventually get it in the end.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

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