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When Water Doesn't Go DOWN The Drain

When water doesn't go DOWN the drain.

Why not?  What's it doing instead?

In this case we could see where a lot of it was going.

This is the newly-finished "bathroom" in the same newly-"finished" basement in yesterday's post.

Running the water for a while in the shower stall (which looked really nice) it was not very long before it started leaking out from under the shower pan.

Is the drain hole not connected to the drain tubing?

The leaking began in two places, and the water started expanding toward the ceramic tile lip in the lower left of the photo.

The leaking from the two arrows on the top center was immediate.

The leaking at the arrow at the lower left did not happen until a little while later.

So, if the water was not going down the drain, two questions remain:

1.  Why was it not going down the drain? and
2.  Where was it going?

An ejector pump behind the wall on the upper right did not seem to be filling.

When I did the thermal image sweep through the house later in the inspection, Mighty Mo discovered that leaking was happening from more than the two arrows at the edge of the shower pan.

The leaking continued through the glass block wall at the end of the shower pan, and from under the ceramic tile lip separating the shower stall from the rest of the bathroom.

Bummer.  The whole bathroom, all ornamented and bedecked with fine-looking everything, was a mess.  Can I say bummer again? 

Yes, yes I can.

My recommendation:  when new work is not done by a professional it is not professionally done!  Is that redundant or a good rule of thumb?  For sure, given the number of things improperly finished in this "finished" basement, no permit was pulled to do the work.   If what we can see is improperly done, what we can't see is a grave concern.  And what can't be seen is inherited by the buyer!  Along with all its fine glory and headaches that will follow. 

Beware the pig with lipstick!

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 16 commentsJay Markanich • September 22 2016 03:57AM

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I love your line - if it isnot done by a professional it is not professionally done- That is great advice for sellers getting ready to make repairs off the home inspection list too

Posted by Lise Howe, Assoc. Broker in DC, MD, VA and attorney in DC (Keller Williams Capital Properties) almost 4 years ago

Lise - that line is a great philosophy and I use it with clients all the time.  Thanks!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 4 years ago

Good morning Jay. Hope the buyer is running at top speed away from this deal. Enjoy your day!

Posted by Wayne Martin, Real Estate Broker - Retired (Wayne M Martin) almost 4 years ago

Another solid reason for all home buyers to consider the services of an experienced, licensed Home Inspector equipped with the latest in diagnostic tools for definitive analysis of problem areas. Thanks, Jay Markanich !

Posted by Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI, Presence, Persistence & Perseverance (HomeSmart Realty West & Lend Smart Mortgage, Llc.) almost 4 years ago

Wayne - this buyer is of the mind that he can fix anything.  It's not my purview to turn people away from houses, but in this case I don't think Mr. Know-it-all would have listened anyway...

Mighty Mo sure makes the various leaks come alive, right S&N?

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 4 years ago

Did Flipper raise his ugly head once again?

 

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) almost 4 years ago

Never hire an amature to do plumbing repairs - that's my motto - thanks for sharing

Posted by Jennifer Mackay, Your Bay County Florida Realtor 850.774.6582 (Counts Real Estate Group, Inc.) almost 4 years ago

So it appears, Fred.  This guy bought the home a while ago, intending to spruce it up and sell it.  Note my answer to Mike Cooper on the previous post about the sill plate.  Same house.

Jennifer - pretty motto!  Almost as good as, "Be Prepared."

 

 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 4 years ago

Ugh. Someone messed that job up, that's for sure. Mighty Mo sees all.

Posted by Kat Palmiotti, The House Kat (406-270-3667, kat@thehousekat.com, Broker, Blackstone Realty Group - brokered by eXp Realty) almost 4 years ago

Right on, Kat.  Seems I have seen your new avatar photo before!  Like it!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 4 years ago

Oh that is just awful. I am having a new shower pan installed as I write this. I certainly hope this does not happen to me. A professional is doing the work.

Posted by Kathy Stoltman, Ventura County Real Estate Consultant 805-746-1793 (Rockwood Realty) almost 4 years ago

Kathy - it appears things weren't connected properly under the pan.  Or there was a clog in the tube on the way to the ejector pump.  I don't know!  All I know is it leaked immediately.  Your professional is likely that!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 4 years ago

I just had an interesting discussion about a similar situation.   A client was looking at a house that had a finished basement which was obviously done by the home owner.   If no permits were pulled, can you consider the square footage of the basement when calculating the "finished" square footage of the home when selling?

Posted by Stephen Weakley (Nationwide Mortgage Services) almost 4 years ago

In Virginia I don't think it's counted Stephen.  But a basement bedroom or bath would count toward those numbers.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 4 years ago

Thanks, Jay, for sharing your experience and your photographs. 

More good reasons for home buyers to always opt for a professional home inspection.

Posted by Roy Kelley (Realty Group Referrals) almost 4 years ago

With very cool thermal images, too, Roy.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 4 years ago

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