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During A Shower, Water Sprays Everywhere

One thing home inspectors don't do during a home inspection is take a shower, which would have the advantage of seeing what happens as during a shower water sprays everywhere.

One thing I do during an inspection is direct shower spray to as many places - corners and shower stall seams - as I can.

In this case that wasn't possible.

There is evidence of previous leaking from shower spray!

But this staining on the floor is behind the direction  of the shower spray.  You can see that I was able to splash a little water there.  But not enough, or hard enough, or long enough to see if there is real leaking during a long shower.

So how can I know if this is presently happening or happening as much as it may have been?

I can't really, not definitively.

All I can do is say - there is new caulking, there is staining on the floor, there is a smooshy sub floor, etc.

Is this a current problem? 

Virginia is a non-disclosure state, so the sellers do not have to say!

My recommendation:  sometimes a home inspection can only report on what is visible at the time, and avoid speculation as to whether this or that sign is actively happening.  Speculation is not a very accurate form of inspection.  But, and this is a big BUT, sometimes things seen and suspected are ongoing!

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 31 commentsJay Markanich • February 09 2015 03:26AM

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Non disclosure really?  We can get into a lot of trouble if we don't disclose.  Interesting Jay thanks

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty) over 4 years ago

The disclosure states nearby seem to get around the real reporting pretty well James.  But VA has been non disclosure for a long while.  Caveat emptor.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

It's more likely ongoing...how else would they have fixed the pipe?  I don't see any evidence of tile repair or new tile/grout.  Not sure if you checked ceiling from below.

Posted by Debbie Gartner, The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers (The Flooring Girl) over 4 years ago

I would say so too, Debbie.  And as to the ceiling below, you are sure, I am sure.

Or sure should be.  For sure.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

So Jay Markanich what did it look like underneath the floor (basement or main floor, what ever is underneath this)?

Posted by Bob "RealMan" Timm, Owner of Ward Co. Notary Services, retired Realtor (Ward County Notary Services) over 4 years ago

Good morning Jay. What a good point this is. Showers often spray everywhere so looking for signs is a good way to go.

Posted by Sheila Anderson, The Real Estate Whisperer Who Listens 732-715-1133 (Referral Group Incorporated) over 4 years ago

Only ceiling underneath Bob, and not stained.  This is not a substantial leak beyond the sub floor.

Sheila - thanks!  People have to realize how much splattering goes on during a shower and the water has to be contained.

 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Jay, sometimes you can clearly tell if it is ongoing and sometimes, no clue. Your job is to report! Great job! Enjoy your day!

Posted by Wayne Martin, Real Estate Broker - Retired (Wayne M Martin) over 4 years ago

Thanks Wayne.  We did that for sure!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Good evening Jay. Yes, water does go everywhere and even under the door seal and into the vinyl flooring. I am sure that you have seen it all too.

Posted by TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc., Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) over 4 years ago

Michael - I think it's still happening, but not proving it during the inspection I can't say it on the report.

I should have taken my union break and had a shower!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Water is such a strange thing so many times where you see a leak or evidence of water is not necessarily where it coming from, it's just ran to the spots you see

Posted by Doris Freeman, Broker/Agent, Realtor, Madison-Gibson-Crockett (RE/MAX REALTY SOURCE) over 4 years ago

Hot water, going where it is suppose to is a good thing! On floors, the house structure!

Posted by Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573, Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker (MOOERS REALTY) over 4 years ago

Good morning Jay,

Your job is to report and it looks like there has been a problem. Since the seller doesn't have to disclose you're just making the buyer aware that water does go everywhere and it it did on this floor and looks like under the vinyl!

Posted by Dorie Dillard CRS GRI ABR, Serving Buyers & Sellers in NW Austin Real Estate (Coldwell Banker United Realtors® ~ 512.750.6899) over 4 years ago

It's all about the pan, the pan, it's all about the pan. Sorry, Grammy in my head still.

Posted by Scott Seaton Jr. Bourbonnais Kankakee IL Home Inspector, The Home Inspector With a Heart! (SLS Home Inspections-Bradley Bourbonnais Kankakee Manteno) over 4 years ago

Doris - I don't know exactly where it is getting out, but it is!

Andrew - and that is never a good thing.

Dorie - all that is true.  Personally I think the problem is current.

Scott - bread?  Why bread?  Oh, English.  Which pan is that?  Peter?  Gingerbread pan?  I mean man?  Sorry, too many voices in my head speaking at the same time.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... I doubt its a cow.

Posted by Rafi Footerman, Home Inspector, Mold Inspector, Radon and More! (Mid Jersey Inspections) over 4 years ago

I think it is a pretty good assumption that the water is coming from the shower.  Water goes different places when a person is in the shower vs. just turning on an empty shower.

Posted by Gene Riemenschneider, Turning Houses into Homes (Home Point Real Estate) over 4 years ago

Non disclosure is what I assume even when there is some disclosures.  So untrusting I guess!

Posted by Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty, Fifteen Years Experience in Brevard County (Bucci Realty, Inc.) over 4 years ago

That floor certainly looks suspicious - and ugly.

Meanwhile, I can just see it all now. "Excuse me Mrs. Homeowner. I need to take a shower in each of your bathrooms." 

Posted by Marte Cliff, Your real estate writer (Marte Cliff Copywriting) over 4 years ago

Interesting comments about this post. As long as the buyer is aware of a possible repair or defective issue, that's all that is required of the seller as long as those issues were disclosed (TDS), right?

Posted by Kimo Jarrett, Pro Lifestyle Solutions (WikiWiki Realty) over 4 years ago

Dear Jay,

Good point. I have not have a house not sell, just because the buyer knows as much as the seller can remember about it. One thing some people do not realize is that every house needs a small amount of maintenance (like caulking on a semi-regular basis). If you do not do the small easy stuff, you may have big tough stuff to tackle, like the subfloor in this case. Have you used or seen Schluter membranes used & how do you like them?

Posted by Dörte Engel, ABC - Annapolis, Bowie, Crofton & rest of Maryland (RE/MAX Leading Edge) over 4 years ago

Are you talking about spilt milk, I mean water, Rafi?  Moo backatcha.

Gene - while I try to test that, often the direction of the shower is not entirely indicative of what's going on!

Gary - I wonder about that too.  How much is really forthcoming?

Marte - for me, showers would be great!  And a nap.  And fixing a meal.  Oh, and my wash, doing my wash.  The new home inspection! 

Kimo - I don't know, but Virginia is a non-disclosure state.

Dorte - of course maintenance is an ongoing thing.  Typically, long term, maintenance costs about 1% of the value of the house, per year!  I have never heard of those membranes, but this pan is plastic and the leaking is probably from the glass sides of the stall.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Good feature, Jay.

Posted by Marshall Brown, BSEE, CHI (Mid America Inspection Services, LLC) over 4 years ago

Thanks Marshall.  I don't know exactly how things get featured, but this was!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

The linoleum/tile is ugly and stained and it should be replaced, unless, of course, this is just one of many small items that need to be repaired in this home.  If it is a single issue it is an easy diagnosis to pull up the ugly stained flooring and check out where the water is coming from.  Then replace it!!!  Doesn't cost much at all.

Posted by Susan McCall, Independent Listing and Buyer Agent, Bringing buyers and sellers together! (Compass Realty Solutions) over 4 years ago

Agreed Susan!  But before any replacement the source of the moisture has to be determined and corrected.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

And water could be trapped under the flooring.  New caulking is a dead give away!

Posted by Jan Green, HomeSmart Elite Group, REALTOR®, EcoBroker, GREEN (Value Added Service, 602-620-2699) over 4 years ago

It has been trapped Jan.  And that affects the life span of the flooring too.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

I have seen this a number of times.  What is more ugly is the mold and mildew that causes the dark staining under the vinyl.  Nass T!

Posted by John Dotson, The experience to get you to the other side! (Preferred Properties of Highlands, Inc. - Highlands, NC) over 4 years ago

For sure John!  And hey, great name for a rap artist!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

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