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Patch Work Is Great For Quilts. But Roofs?

Patch work is great for quilts.  But roofs?

This is a condo building, just over a year old, with roof leaks repaired many times.

Sooner or later enough layers might just get put over something that it controls leaking, or at least forestalls it until after the warranty period.

Glue and layer.  Layer and glue.  Lather, rinse and repeat.

In this case too much patching, and layering, and gluing, apparently could not be done. 

Reasoning with physics and fluid dynamics sometimes doesn't work.  Water will do what water does.

The roofers have been out many times.  And not only for this spot, but others.  Many times.

Here we have a problematic corner continuing to present problems to the roofing problem solvers.

It's a problem.  Synonyms - trouble, pickle, quandry, predicament, headache, botheration and cluster ..., um, well, botheration.

So, we have glue and layer.  Layer and glue.  And more gluing and layering.  And more layering and gluing.  Piled higher and deeper.  It's a regular Ph.D!

See the metal cap to the right of the second photo? 

The shovel is leaning against it.

This metal cap is a second example of layering.

Except it is not glued, it is nailed.

If one material isn't waterproof (see the open seam?), then surely a second one nailed on top will work!

Perfect.

Well, all done here!  Isn't it time for lunch?  Let's see, what am I hungry for?

How about a cold cut sub?  With lots of layers of meat, glued tight with cheese and a nice slather of mayo on top?  Oh, could you toast it?  That really gets everything sticking together really good.  Thanks.

My recommendation:  what's that saying about if you think a professional is too expensive wait until you see how much an amateur costs?  I just got another call from the property manager about this roof yesterday.  Waddyaknow?  The roof is still leaking.  Now, where's that sub?

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 19 commentsJay Markanich • October 23 2014 12:30AM

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 Good morning Jay. IMHO this roof is in prime condition for a redo. The sad thing is, the contractor won't do it because it costs too much money. They should've done it right the first time.

Posted by TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc., Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) over 4 years ago

Methinks other things will be going on behind the scenes Michael.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Jay, sometimes you have to take the plunge and hire someone who can do it right! Enjoy your day!

Posted by Wayne Martin, Real Estate Broker - Retired (Wayne M Martin) over 4 years ago

I don't know because I'm not a contractor, roofer, carpenter or home inspector, but isn't the very act of hammering a nail in anything also putting a hole in at the same time????

What ever the cause, it surely will have to be repaired or replaced.  It appears to me that it's time for the owners to "go back to GO" and replace the entire roof.

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) over 4 years ago

Looks like a tear off and start over...with a professional...think they would have learned from the lowest bidder, hmmm ?

Posted by Sally K. & David L. Hanson, WI Realtors - Luxury - Divorce (EXP Realty 414-525-0563) over 4 years ago

Good morning Jay,

The idea of what for lunch is probably what they were thinking!

Thank you for the idea as it is cool here a hot pastrami will hit the spot today.

Make yourself a good day.

Posted by Raymond E. Camp, Licensed Real Estate Salesperson Greater Rochester (Howard Hanna Real Estate Services) over 4 years ago

Cold cuts with lots of mayo please.  Sounds like what my lunch will consist of today. 

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty AR LLC) over 4 years ago

I say just throw a big ol blue tarp over it and call it a day!

Now... where we going for lunch? I like subs! Meat, melted cheese, gooped mayo, not only will it not leak... it will be delicious!! 

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) over 4 years ago

Wayne - I'm not sure what's going on with this, but they want it corrected!

Holes are never good Lenn.  I don't understand howcome people put nails through roofs!  And this roof is a problem all over.

S&D - apparently they hired subs that were not licensed.  No kidding.

Glad to contribute to the comfort food of your day Raymond!

 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

That's the ticket James!  Hope it was good.

Fred - I see blue tarps all over town!  The roof of choice.  And make sure those sandwiches stick everything together well.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Jay~ What's it gonna take for the property owner to realize it's time for a do-over?

Posted by Donna Foerster, Metro Denver Real Estate Agent (HomeSmart Realty Group) over 4 years ago

Aloha Jay,

Many years ago I managed a Jazz Club in Boston, the previous owners of the building installed 7 drop ceilings beneath a dilapidated roof that required tarring yearly otherwise it leaked. The previous owners neglected to inform the new owner, our land lord of the necessity, so I was told.

 

Fast forward two years after a particularly rainy January, ceiling tiles began bulging than collapsing into the club. The utter mess that hung above our heads made it impossible to keep the place operating. A very similar roofing situation that you show pooled water in certain spots causing of all the collateral damage. It was a disaster.

peace,

Posted by Kimo Stowell, REALTOR Associate® RS-76763 - Honolulu Hawai'i (HI Pro Realty LLC RB-21531 ) over 4 years ago

The longer the leaking continues the more the building association is realizing Donna.

Thanks Kimo.  Leaks usually get worse and worse!  They don't get better on their own.  I'm from DC - am I supposed to say aloha?  I don't know!  But don't want to step out of line!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Jay, Well that is a mess. I think a mulligan is a better approach, just do it all over again.

Posted by Donald Hester, NCW Home Inspections, LLC (NCW Home Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Well, fair is only fair when you hit a bad shot Don.  And this is a bad shot!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Never time to do it right, but there is always(?) time to do it over. 

Me thinks that the person in charge of hiring the subs for this job used price as the primary criterion. 

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 4 years ago

Jim - methinks, youthinks, weallthinks for icethinks ... no that doesn't work.

Methinks that's true.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

Jay, and what is the underlying problem here? I did love Donald's comment. And I would certainly have a completely different company do it this time!

Posted by Gayle Rich-Boxman Fishhawk Lake Real Estate, "Your Local Expert!" 503-755-2905 (John L Scott Market Center) over 4 years ago

There are a lot of complicated machinations going on here Gayle, between the building HOA and the builder.  When I got involved here, simply to do a thermal imaging investigation, I did not know all that was going on.  Perhaps I still don't!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 4 years ago

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