What I'm Seeing Now

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Uh, Oh. New Roof. New Flashing. And sagging.

I saw it from the street and then the driveway when I pulled in - and thought ... Uh, oh.  New roof.  New flashing.  And sagging. 

And the flashing isn't done right, it's really high, it covers the old flashing.

THIS IS A PATCH JOB!

The shingles had been jammed under the siding so hard it was bent.  I could see no evidence of step flashing.

I said to my client that I hoped there was no moisture in the wall of the room inside that chimney.

But the sag is pretty pronounced, and measures 2'x5'.

No, I didn't step on it to see how strong it was!

But I did have a little peeky from inside the garage attic space.

And, given that this is a flip job, I saw what I expected!

ANOTHER PATCH JOB!

If we aren't consistent in life, what's the point?

And flippers are usually very consistent creatures.

Under nearly the entirety of the sag we have some oriented strand board simply placed underneath and held in place with sistered 2x4s.

See the stains on the brick?  Water had been getting around that original flashing. 

This oriented strand board is doing two jobs -

1.  It is (hopefully) lending support to what is probably trashed sheathing.

2.  It is covering up what is probably badly rotting wood!

So, like my blue jeans growing up, a little patch here, a little patch there, and before long you have something that lasts long enough to get by.

Until you sell the house that is.

And guess what?  Inside the house, the living room with the "Gorgeous Fireplace!" had all new drywall around the "Gorgeous Fireplace."  And above and beside the "Gorgeous Fireplace" the moisture meter registered everywhere from 20% to 85% moisture! 

No stains yet.  Fresh paint!  That new drywall should get things by long enough to sell the house.

I CAN TELL YOU'RE SEEING THE SAME PATTERN HERE AS I DO!

My recommendation:  what you see is what you get!  So hire someone to see what you don't when you walk around the beautiful flip job and notice only the lipstick.  That someone would be a home inspector!  And you will get by, with a little help from your friend.

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 20 commentsJay Markanich • June 22 2013 02:57AM

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I'm taking a guess but did they pay for a new roof or patch job?  Either way it really doesn't matter a poor job is a poor job. 

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty AR LLC) almost 5 years ago

I'm not fully understanding the problem. Are the shingles over the patch new or deteriorated? Seeing trusses, the span is obviously 24". Some sagging is common in the absences of clips, especially with age and or multiple layers. 

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) almost 5 years ago

Good morning, Jay....this is what happens when someone with a truck and a hammer tries to make a score in real estate.... they are not "real builders" and just do patch jobs that are not to code....

Posted by Barbara Todaro, "Franklin MA Homes" (RE/MAX Executive Realty ) almost 5 years ago

Good morning Jay,

Interesting problem; and agree the patch on the inside is a nono.

Make yourself a great day.

Posted by Raymond E. Camp, Licensed Real Estate Salesperson Greater Rochester (Howard Hanna Real Estate Services) almost 5 years ago

grrr..looks like a "do over" tearoff would be in order here !

Posted by Sally K. & David L. Hanson, WI Realtors - Luxury - Divorce - Short Sale (Keller Williams 414-525-0563) almost 5 years ago

Hi Jay,

I'm with James on this one. So the roof decking had been repaired in the attic area. There are sisters there to help. I see they don't go all the way to the old decking for a proper support.

I really don't like seeing flashing installed this way. it has "Rookie" written all over it.

Have a good day in Bristow my friend.

Best, Clint McKie

Posted by Clint Mckie, Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586 (Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections) almost 5 years ago

The effort that is used up to hide something could go a long way in doing the job right Jay.

Posted by Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366, General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage (Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366) almost 5 years ago

"Just sweep it under the rug... nobody will notice" Except the people that just bought their dream nightmare!  A big shout out to all the Home Inspectors (pat on the back) that call these guys out!

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) almost 5 years ago

This is a flipper James and he pays himself when the house is sold!

Jim - this is the same house with the caulked windows (yesterday's post).  This is the only area on the roof that sags.  It is shingled over something soft, but not visible from abvoe, or underneath with the "supportive" patch.  That patch is underneath what is left of the sheathing.

Maybe the flipper's name is Patches, Barbara?

Raymond - to me it is!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 5 years ago

S&D - this whole house was an apparent attempt at a do over!

Clint - you had to be there I guess.  Pushing on the shingles you can feel the soft sheathing underneath.  That patch is under the soft sheathing.   This patch, and the flashing, are rookie all over, like the caulked windows yesterday!  Same house.

Tom - I am often amazed by wasted creativity and time!

Thanks Fred.  A little down and to the left, please.  Ahhhh, right there!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 5 years ago

Jay...Thank you for sharing your expertise on AR regarding inspections!! You have educated many people (Realtors, real estate brokers, consumers and many more, and that is a tribute to your passion for your industry!!

Also congrats on hitting 1,000,000 with your next blog!!

Posted by Mike McCann - Nebraska Farm Land Broker, Farm Land For Sale 308-627-3700 or 800-241-3940 (Mike McCann - Broker, Farmland Broker-Auctioneer Serving Rural Nebraska) almost 5 years ago

Thank you Mike, for both comments.  I have said nothing about my next milestone!  You noticed!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 5 years ago

why was the grain of the plywood running the wrong way in that one area?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) almost 5 years ago

Roofing dyslexia when they installed it in 1977 Charlie.

Actually, on older homes I see a lot of 2' strips running lengthwise along the apex of the roof, front and back.  Probably ease of installation.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 5 years ago

Wow.  It will always sag sooner or later----especially the old 3 ply stuff.  It should always span across the joists/rafters for the greatest strength.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) almost 5 years ago

Oh, you're so picky Charlie.  Seeing it all the time, and being there for a few days, it's hard for me to comment on it on reports.  When they get a new roof the roofer, a real roofer (not a flipper), hopefully will correct it!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 5 years ago

Jay -- no one can say that your eyesight is failing, seeing that sag as you drove up!  Then 85% moisture? Couldn't someone put the dull end of a pencil through that?

Posted by Steven Cook (No Longer Processing Mortgages.) almost 5 years ago

Not yet Steven.  It probably had not had enough time to soften up.  This is all very fresh work.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 5 years ago

It's amazing what sellers will do to avoid fixing the bigger issue. Patch jobs aren't always done well, case and point.

Posted by Suzanne Otto, Your Montgomery County PA home stager (Six Twenty Designs) almost 5 years ago

This is a flipper Suzanne!  So I would expect he would not do it for sale as he would for himself!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 5 years ago

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