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Roof Drip Edge On New Construction

The end unit townhouse has a long, exposed roof edge which must be protected properly against blowing moisture.

Often from the inside of the attic lots of staining can be observed along the long edge, right at the roof line.  Such staining usually hasn't developed yet on new construction.

But it's prevention is essential.  Which is why they put a drip edge all long that edge, to protect roof sheathing and shingles, and keep things dry.

The drip edge fits under the shingles, over the sheathing and tar paper, and extends down the fascia a bit to protect everything from wind and rain. 

It also makes it more difficult for ice to progress under the shingles.

It's more effective when it is installed in long strips, with fewer openings between pieces and the upper should overlap the lower so any water harmlessly drips away.

Look at this roof drip edge on new construction.

This installer does not know which is correct.

Should the pieces be long or short?

Should they overlap up or down?

Should the edge lay this way or that way?  Let's try them both!

Obviously this guy does not know which of those installations is correct.

It doesn't even look like he used the right product.

This entire thing is a mystery to him.

And this is a builder that made it very difficult for me to do any inspection at all. 

They told my client BEFORE THE INSPECTION that they will agree to disagree with everything I put on any report that I write.

Explain to me what should be disagreed with here?  ME OR THE INSTALLATION??

The lower edge at the end was a MISH MASH OF MESS!

There are holes, wide gaps and improperly-fitted materials.

Look closely beside the dark flashing, unfortunately nailed on the top and similarly left unprotected.

The end of the piece of flashing was taped!

YES, TAPED!

Amazing.

I think it is packing tape, but it's hard to tell.

What, should my report say the better practice should be duct tape?

Is that what they are going to disagree with?

My recommendation:  plan to attend a new construction inspection and plan to have some fun.  I always do...

 

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 42 commentsJay Markanich • May 22 2013 03:26AM

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Morning Jay I think even Uncle Bob would use the drip edge one way only but we are talking about Uncle Bob.  :~)

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty AR LLC) over 5 years ago

James - in the 7-11 parking lot I don't think this guy took the drip edge class.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago
That workmanship gets a grade of F. The builder needs to fire his subcontractors. If he did it himself he needs to find another profession.
Posted by Bill and MaryAnn Wagner, Jersey Shore and South Jersey Real Estate (Wagner Real Estate Group) over 5 years ago

Hey Jay, nice explanation.  As a former builder we welcomed inspectors like you.  Everyone benefitted.

Posted by David Brandschain (Long & Foster) over 5 years ago

Wow! Jay, this is sad! How a builder can accept this level of work and think it is acceptable. It is a serious roofing leak and subsequent mold disaster just waiting to 'spring' on an unsuspecting buyer. Glad you caught it!

Posted by Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI, Presence, Persistence & Perseverance (Realty National) over 5 years ago

Bill - that supervisor looked me in the face and told me I was the problem!

David - this one doesn't!  They have made it more and more difficult for their buyers to have home inspectors.

Norman - it was really hard!  Just look up...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Jay, as you know drip edge is just as important as the roof. I hope the buyers listened to you.

Posted by Frank Rubi, FrankRubiRealEstate.com (Frank Rubi Real Estate, LLC) over 5 years ago

The buyers listened to this and many other things Frank!  It's the builder that is the road block here.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Good Post..In Florida we have a lot of Tile roofing and often the drip cap is placed ABOVE the 90# roofing material which is the layer just below the tile. This lazy mistake eventually allows water (which naturally gets through the tile layer) to seep under the drip and around to the edge of plywood decking, causing rot which gradually creeps back up the roof!  One can easily inspect for this mistake by looking up at the soffit/fascia edge on a 5 minute walk around the house, while looking for stain from the plywood rot!  Usually this is remedied by removal of 3-4 feet of tile at the bottom and replacement of 2-3 feet of plywood, and installing a new drip cap UNDER the 90# roofing material!

Posted by James Bath, REALTOR® , AHWD® , SRES® ,e-PRO® (Gulf Shores Realty) over 5 years ago

That's great information James.  I am not familiar with tile roofs and have often said that I would have a hard time on inspections in other areas!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Good morning Jay,

Another item to look for when selling a home. Thank you for the tip.

Make yourself a great day.

Posted by Raymond E. Camp, Licensed Real Estate Salesperson Greater Rochester (Howard Hanna Real Estate Services) over 5 years ago

Raymond - if it looks sloppy, it is sloppy and probably incorrectly done!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Gee...had not seen packing tape on the Bill of Materials list.....that had to be a clue...even to the builder !

Posted by Sally K. & David L. Hanson, WI Realtors - Luxury - Divorce (EXP Realty 414-525-0563) over 5 years ago

If this supervisor actually looked at this house, S&D, I would be surprised.  Inside and out, it was very fun.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Jay, you find the best stuff.  Although I am a huge fan of duct tape, I don't think it would do the job in this situation.  How was the reast of the construction on this house, and who passed it thinking it was acceptable?  Sometimes I just scratch my head and wonder.

Posted by Gary Frimann, REALTOR and Broker (Eagle Ridge Realty / Signature Homes & Estates) over 5 years ago

This house had problems with the pre-drywall inspection and this final inspection, inside and out Gary.

The pre-drywall inspection proved to them that I was something to contend with and they tried really hard to prevent my client from asking me to do a final.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Jay, if this is any indication of how the rest of the house is built, I would walk.

Posted by Michael Setunsky, Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA over 5 years ago

It's hard to walk at this point in the process Mike.  As you know, the contract slants totally toward the builder.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Hi Jay,

Looking at the pictures, it looks like the way some roofs are done around here.

Cheaper is not always a better route when wanting a new roof.

I see Uncle Bob is now back in Virginia. :-)

Have a good day in Bristow.

Best, Clint McKie

Posted by Clint Mckie, Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586 (Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections) over 5 years ago

So, Clint, things are wrong, backwards and silly there too!?

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Agree to disagree with everything just on principal...that's great.  Thye sound like a high quality builder.

Posted by Marc McMaster, Putting my clients before myself (RE/MAX Centre Realty) over 5 years ago

Not in my book Marc!  But I recognize your sarcasm...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Donate those eyes to a museum when you are through with them Jay....thank you and good post

Posted by Richie Alan Naggar, agent & author (people first...then business Ran Right Realty ) over 5 years ago

Thanks Richie.  My distance vision is 20/5.  But with my binocks (20x with an image stabilizer) they are much better!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

My thought was "If they had used Duct tape Jay would have passed it!" ;-)

I think the builder hired the lowest bidders and knows the work will be shoddy.

Posted by Than Maynard, Broker - Licensed to List & Sell - 405-990-8862 (Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma) over 5 years ago

Especially if they used the colorful duct tape, Than, like I did to repair my dog's cone.

At least choose the best stuff!

That's best practice, right?

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

These kind of posts always make me laugh. I just don't understand what thoughts (or lack thereof) go through a persons head!

Posted by Suzanne Otto, Your Montgomery County PA home stager (Six Twenty Designs) over 5 years ago

I disagree 100%!! With them of course... not you. Looks like they tried to piece it together from leftover pieces. Overlapping up, lol... a 5 year old could see that's not right!

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) over 5 years ago
An idiot could see this is wrong. My questions now would be"wonder what they have done to things I cant see". I would not feel confident with this builder. I put drip edge on my detacched 10x10 office out back and it was done right.
Posted by Michael Blue, REALTOR - 760-889-8877, Encinitas/Carlsbad (Home Smart Realty West) over 5 years ago

I laugh sometimes too Suzanne.  And then cry.  This is all too frequent!

Fred - inside out, upside down, left, right, overlap wrong - well, they tried.  I think they should get trophies just like the first place team, so they don't feel bad for coming in last.

Right Michael!  I even put a drip edge on my wood shed out back!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago
Jay, Great post and great info!
Posted by Wayne and Jean Marie Zuhl, The Last Names You'll Ever Need in Real Estate (Samsel & Associates) over 5 years ago

And thanks, W&J, as usual!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Jay -- hmm, now I will have to go and check that patio roof, and see if a drip edge was put on it by the previous owner who had it installed.

Posted by Steven Cook (No Longer Processing Mortgages.) over 5 years ago

Seek, Steven, and ye shall find, or not find.

To drip edge or to not drip edge, that is the question.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

That looks terrible. I agree with you, the installer didn't have a clue about the proper way to install it.

Posted by Jeff Pearl, Full Service Full Time Realtor (RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA) over 5 years ago

Isn't that awful Jeff?  And this is the supervisor who told the buyers there were already dozens of inspections...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Yes in deed, that builder knows he'staking short cuts and doesn't want any inspector to point them out

Posted by Ed Silva, Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally (RE/MAX Professionals, CT 203-206-0754 ) over 5 years ago

Ed - they all take short cuts, but some are more egregious than others!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Wow Jay, you have some real quality builders in your area! Im curious to know what kind of prices are these homes going for?

Posted by Micheal St. Peter (The Bayshore Group) over 5 years ago

That is a townhouse Michael, and I think about $375.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Jay, I had a very similar installation on a new home a couple months back. I guess this is rocket science ;)

Posted by Donald Hester, NCW Home Inspections, LLC (NCW Home Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

It is clever and creative Don.  And unbelievable!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

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