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Bathroom Vent Hanging By A Thread ... Um, I Mean Glue And Tape

What do you say when you see a bathroom vent hanging by a thread ... um, I mean glue and tape?

As I am doing a pre-drywall inspection I am walking around talking.  It is virtually a running commentary, and I love to point out the good things I am seeing.

In this house there were two upstairs bathrooms and one of my comments regarded how well the bath vent housing was installed.

Coming around to the other bathroom the vent housing was hanging at a severe angle.

The bottom was sticking way out.

It was one of two vents servicing this bathroom, and located inside the toilet "closet."

Taking a closer look we were not impressed.

What can you say?

Can you see what they did?

This is some special carpentry here!

They had apparently forgotten the vent fan. 

But they saw it had to be done.

Not knowing how, or not having the right tool, how could they get the vent tubing through the wood framing above?

Cut a slice out of the framing!

Easy peasy!

Oh, wait!  How do we get it to stay in there?

Got it!  Let's glue it! 

But they knew enough to know that not just any glue would do!  It wouldn't PASS THE COUNTY INSPECTION!

They had to use fire block caulking!  And they put a strap to "protect" the tubing from drywall nails!

Yep!  That'll PASS THE COUNTY INSPECTION NOW!  And it did.  I'm pretty certain the county didn't see it.

And, further, that fan is literally taped to the tubing, INSIDE the caulking!  And INSIDE the fan housing!

I'll bet that tape isn't coming loose now!  But as the caulking dried it pulled the tubing at an angle, so the vent fan housing is stuck at that severe angle.

NO BIG DEAL!  IT WILL BE HELD TIGHT INSIDE DRYWALL AND NOBODY WILL EVER SEE THE GLUE AND TAPE!

My recommendation:  some things can only be seen pre-drywall.  Like this.  Once the drywall goes up a multitude of different sins are covered forever.  Well, at least until there's a problem.  Can you imagine trying to do a repair on this should the need ever come up?  Good luck.

 

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 25 commentsJay Markanich • April 24 2013 01:50AM

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Once the drywall goes up a multitude of different sins are covered forever.

Once the drywall goes up a multitude of different sins are covered forever.

Once the drywall goes up a multitude of different sins are covered forever.

That is a good title for a new blog post.  Glad you thought of it.

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) over 5 years ago

I'm good at that Lenn. 

;>)

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

ANd did they vent it into the attic and not outside?  See this all the time too Jay.

Posted by John F Muscarella, Broker/Owner, Venice, FL, Florida's Suncoast (RIVER FARM PROPERTIES, LLC) over 5 years ago

 

Morning Jay I like Lenn's comment and I can't wait to wee the post you'll make with it. 

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty AR LLC) over 5 years ago

Why why why why do contractors do these things? It's like if I turn my radio up I won;t hear the noise my car is making

Posted by Doug Dawes, Your Personal Realtor® (Keller Williams Realty - Topsfield, MA) over 5 years ago

I was thinking the same, how would you ever repair that stuck in the wall like that. 

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 5 years ago

Nice, a very "special" installation, probably took them twice as long or more to do it that way. This is a good example of why pre-drywall inspections are needed! Or... just trust the builder, because after all... he is "The Builder"

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) over 5 years ago

Hi Jay,

Why are they sending our inspectors over to your area? They did pass the inspection so that must mean they are using our inspectors. They seem to pass just about anything in and out of sight. :-)

Have a great day in Bristow my friend.

Best, Clint McKie

Posted by Clint Mckie, Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586 (Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections) over 5 years ago

At least they used "structural" duct tape.  You should talk about those metal strips perpendicular to the trusses?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) over 5 years ago

Jay  There is no doubt drywall covers up more "creative construction" than we care to know - or should we?  Yes, that's why a pre-drywall inspection is vital

Posted by Karen Kruschka, - "My Experience Isn't Expensive - It's PRICELESS" (RE/MAX Executives) over 5 years ago

Flex-install for earthquakes in the area. Great post as usual.

Posted by Chuck Mixon, Cutler Bay Specialist, GRI, CDPE, BPOR (The Keyes Company) over 5 years ago

Jay, do you ever post that hasn't been featured?  You make me afraid to buy a house. Who knows what's hidden behind the wall board.

Posted by Mark Horan, "The Resident Chef" - Resident Team Realty LLC & (Resident Team Realty, LLC & Toni's Property Management LLC) over 5 years ago

Just fix it.  If a sale is hinging on this.  Get someone in to fix it.

Posted by Ginger Harper, Your Southport~Oak Island Agent~Brunswick County! (Coldwell Banker Sea Coast Advantage) over 5 years ago

Great question John.  They did, but the vent tubing is 45' long!  I questioned that too.

James - I am thinking Lenn is intending to do that!

Good analogy Doug.  And did you know, if your basement floor is cracking you can put carpet down and the cracks go away.  It's true.

Methinks repairs would be hard Jim!  But, says the installer, not my problem!  We are back to the Golden Rule!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Fred - it looks pretty bassackwards to me.  I like the huge notch taken out of the top plate!  Let's just fill it with fireblock!

Sometimes I think they go in the front door and smell the air Clint. 

I'm told they intend to screw the drywall to them Charlie.  I asked the supervisor if there is a galvanic problem with that metal and the drywall screws and he said, and I quote, "Like ... what?"

Karen - a carpenter once said to me during one of my inspections, "Don't worry, the drywall covers it all up anyway."  A glint of light came off his gold tooth as he said it.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Chuck - that fan can handle up to a 6.5!

Mark - my average is a consistent 1:5 for features, from day one!  Sometimes the same post gets featured by 2 and 3 people in AR.  That tells me that it will be a popular post.  I think they get featured when someone thinks they are instructive.

Ginger - this isn't a big enough deal to cancel the sale, but it is indicative of work generally!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

  If this contractor/builder/sub-contractor finds this acceptable..you have to wonder how many other surprises you would find...or never find in his ""custom" built homes !

Posted by Sally K. & David L. Hanson, WI Realtors - Luxury - Divorce (EXP Realty 414-525-0563) over 5 years ago

It is scary to think of how many things sit behind those walls forever.....

Posted by Dagny Eason, Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo (Dagny's Real Estate) over 5 years ago

This is a tract townhouse and the subs were talking about me during the inspection.  I understood their language, of course, and said something back to them in very a adult way, with adult phraseology S&D.  They shut up real quick.

Dags - who knows.  There might be a loaf of banana nut bread trapped inside a wall forever!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Jay, another reason for having a pre-drywall inspection. Drywall, the great cover up!

Posted by Michael Setunsky, Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA over 5 years ago

Another of the millions of reasons Mike! 

See today's post.  Some things aren't covered up!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Tape and glue isn't a valid fastener for that type of stuff? Man, I've been doing it wrong for years!  Just kidding!  Love your posts Jay.

Posted by Marc McMaster, Putting my clients before myself (RE/MAX Centre Realty) over 5 years ago

Let this be a lesson for you Marc!

 

;>)

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

Jay, That is the new vibration damper style fan, These guys are cutting edge : )

Posted by Donald Hester, NCW Home Inspections, LLC (NCW Home Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

I thought it takes a lot of foresight to install something like this Don.  But that's just me...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 5 years ago

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