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New Construction - A Roof Flashing Question - Got 'Em!

It sounds like some cue cards on a TV set - new construction - a roof flashing question - got 'em!

Often times on new construction the master bedroom has a gas fireplace.  And if they can make it look good, the fireplace will have a flue that exits out the side of the house.

Depending on where it's located on the side of the house, and the surrounding architecture, the flue will have its own little box and roof.

This house has one of those.

During the pre-drywall inspection the structure was done here, but the siding and roof had not been completed.

The roof elsewhere had been completed.

They were working on the siding as I did the inspection.

During the final inspection this little roof is high and while it looked like there might not be flashing present, I could not get a view from anywhere in the yard to prove it.

I don't like to identify things without being sure.  And especially on new construction.

So, what to do?

I rang the doorbell at the house next door!  Hiding my chain saw behind my back, and with my cutest puppy-dog eyes, I asked the lady who answered the door if I could look at something on the new house next door from an upstairs window.

While it's not a dangerous neighborhood, you never know who you are letting into your house!  But she let me in anyway (as everyone reading this gasps...).

From a window next door, through the screen, and with my telephoto lens, I got this photo!  Ha!

NO FLASHING!

The siding company there during my pre-drywall inspection went ahead and sided around this little roof knowing, KNOWING, there was no flashing present.  I even see bare wood.

I can hear it now, "Hey, Boss!  There's no flashing over this roof!  Well, flashing's not my job..."

My recommendation:  new construction might (I intentionally say might) mean you get new stuff, but it does not mean right.  NEVER assume it means right and "all the inspections" that the house has had up until then made sure everything is done correctly.  It might not be.  My new friend next door said they did not have a home inspection and subsequent to moving in found all kinds of problems.  Then she complimented me on my "uncommon diligence."  Oh yeah...

 

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 27 commentsJay Markanich • March 10 2013 04:23AM

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Good Morning, Jay. No flashing is not a good thing. You were luck that the lady let you in...

Posted by TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc., Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) almost 6 years ago

There are inspectors and then there are inspectors.  Whatever it takes to get the job done.  Imagination on your part solved the issue. 

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty AR LLC) almost 6 years ago

It was the puppy dog eyes Michael.

You have to take advantage of opportunities James!  It was fortunate I could get in.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 6 years ago

You don't miss a trick, good job again Jay.  Ever think of using a pole to mount a camera on for those high angle shots?

Posted by Kenneth Cole, NYS Licensed Real Estate Salesperson (Weichert Realtors Appleseed Group, 2043 Richmond Ave. S.I.N.Y. 10314. office phone 718-698-9797, Appleseedhomes.com -) almost 6 years ago

No Ken.  I can't jump high enough to focus it or push the button.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 6 years ago

That was a joke Ken...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 6 years ago

LOL... chain saw, good thing you didn't have a hockey mask on as well!! Sure... come on in! That is certainly a new way to get up high enough to see what's going on next door, good thinking! I think you've done this kinda thing before, maybe they should open up some of those cold case files!!

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) almost 6 years ago

I know you are a friendly guy, but may I make a suggestion; try a ladder instead ;)

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) almost 6 years ago

Excellent point on NEW not always being right and flashing came into being for a reason...If consturcted right, many will never know of this

Posted by Richie Alan Naggar, agent & author (people first...then business Ran Right Realty ) almost 6 years ago

I would beat that is pretty close to how the conversation went. Flashing isn't our job. They ordered us to be here today and we are finishing today!

Posted by Than Maynard, Broker - Licensed to List & Sell - 405-990-8862 (Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma) almost 6 years ago

Jay, how many inspectors would knock on the neighbors door, ask to go upstairs and get a photo? "Uncomon diligence" sums it up nicely. Good find and job!

Posted by Michael Setunsky, Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA almost 6 years ago

Good morning Jay,

You have left me gasping and laughing - I can't believe the gal let you in(!), even with your hiding the chainsaw(LOL).  

Posted by Lisa Von Domek, ....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless! (Lisa Von Domek Team) almost 6 years ago

Good thing your name isn't Jason. ( I think that was his name in one of those Texas Chainsaw Massacre type movies)/ very observant. Now hope they perform the repair properly. I bet someone tries to slide a piece of flashing up behind the siding, then overlaps it down to the shingles and runs a bead of silicone caulk across there? Now the lady that let you in might want you to do an inspection on her house!

Posted by Jeff Pearl, Full Service Full Time Realtor (RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA) almost 6 years ago

Fred - it's hard to show off those puppy-dog eyes through those hockey masks.  I left the mask in my pocket.

Jim - they had not yet landscaped and there was so much deep mud I didn't want to do that.  I didn't know if I could clean it off before the next house!

Richie - it would be nice to be able to assume all is well.  But it isn't!

Maybe Than.  The next day they had to be at another site far away!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 6 years ago

Mike - I have done that before.  You really have to look professional to pull that off.  That's hard for me, as you know...

Lisa - she didn't see it!  Thank goodness.  I took off the apron too.

Jeff - I did suggest a one-year warranty inspection.  I bet that happens.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 6 years ago

I was just speaking to a guy working on a new home Friday. He said he misses the days when the crews working on houses were locals that looked out for each other.

Posted by Rob Ernst, Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor (Certified Structure Inspector) almost 6 years ago

Great job on doing what it takes to get the job done.  Most wouldn't think or care to go next door to get a look at that house!

Posted by Marc McMaster, Putting my clients before myself (RE/MAX Centre Realty) almost 6 years ago

Hi Jay,

And where is the "endwall flashing? HMMMM....Good find as we keep the builders in check as we inspect homes that are not to the builders specifications.

Have a great day in Bristow my friend.

Best, Clint McKie

Posted by Clint Mckie, Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586 (Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections) almost 6 years ago

Jay see;  http://activerain.com/blogsview/1621347/making-your-own-pole-photography-rig-easily-

Posted by Kenneth Cole, NYS Licensed Real Estate Salesperson (Weichert Realtors Appleseed Group, 2043 Richmond Ave. S.I.N.Y. 10314. office phone 718-698-9797, Appleseedhomes.com -) almost 6 years ago

Jay, come on now---you actually expect the siding guys to know whether the roofer is done? They got the call to put on the siding----the house must be ready:)  Flashing or not---no wood should be visible.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) almost 6 years ago

Great work!  You definitely went above and beyond to "catch" them.  :)

Posted by Jon Karlen, Louisville & Shelbyville Kentucky real estate (Finish Line Realty - Shelbyville & Louisville Ky Real Estate) almost 6 years ago

It's like NASA Rob.  The cheap bid gets the job!

Marc - that was my only hope!  I was pretty sure there was no flashing there, but I needed a photo!

Clint - surely this is to no spec, but they should not have called the siding guys until the roofers were said to be done.

Thanks Ken!  I looked into it and left you a comment!  Very cool!

For sure Charlie.  But one doesn't scratch the other's back?  The supervisor is not really on the job.

Jon - it wasn't so much as to catch them, as to have a photo.  But in a sense, it was a catch!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 6 years ago

Also see http://gopro.com/hd-hero3-cameras you can mount onto a pole.

Posted by Kenneth Cole, NYS Licensed Real Estate Salesperson (Weichert Realtors Appleseed Group, 2043 Richmond Ave. S.I.N.Y. 10314. office phone 718-698-9797, Appleseedhomes.com -) almost 6 years ago

Smart solution to get a better view.  Glad she let you in.  So sad that this happens.

Posted by Debbie Gartner, The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers (The Flooring Girl) almost 6 years ago

Jay, I see this more times than I wish. Proper flashing for some seems to be optional.

Posted by Donald Hester, NCW Home Inspections, LLC (NCW Home Inspections, LLC) almost 6 years ago

This is the reason I always recommend inspections on new construction.  Having spent many years in construction I can't count the times that one contractor covered something he knew was wrong just so he would not have to wait for someone else to make repairs.  He just wanted to get his job done and to heck with the problems the home owner will have later on.

 

Good post.

Posted by Robert Sole (REM Inspections LLC) almost 6 years ago

That's a lot of fun Ken.  Thanks!

Debbie - well, I guess I didn't come off as I usually do and she had mercy.  But you're right, it was a good way to see it!

Don - how silly too.  And on new construction.  Sad, really.

It's a bummer Robert, and surely the more common way these days.  I wish the Golden Rule was more abundantly applied around us.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 6 years ago

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