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Gluing Down Toilets To Make Sure They NEVER Move!

You have to love consistency and you have to admire somebody who loves his job so much he wants permanence in what he does!  And this consistent, permanent fellow likes gluing down toilets to make sure they NEVER move!

In fact, the buyer and I were admiring one of these when the wife of the duo, who actually found the house and wrote a contract without his husband seeing it, screamed about an oddity she had just found!

Certainly these are glued down so well that those silly, extraneous bolt things are absolutely not necessary!

Flanges - don't need them!  Bolts - don't need them!  Cute plastic covers - don't need them either!

In fact, I am sure this Flipper saved a lot of money on plumbers because I figure only two tubes of caulking were needed per toilet and THAT IS SURELY CHEAPER THAN A PLUMBER!

There are "new, hardwood floors throughout" which will be protected from water getting in or OUT!  This job is one of permanence!

So, the next time the house is sold as "completely remodeled!" and "must see inside!" or, my favorite, "honey, stop the car!" maybe your radar antenna will go up as mine do!

My recommendation:  when you take your clients through a flipped or newly-remodeled house remember, just remember, that your home inspector really wants to come too!  And believe me, his antenna WILL be up!  He'll have a happy smile on his face during the inspection too...

 

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 60 commentsJay Markanich • February 07 2013 02:55AM

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I will have to admit that when caught my eye in these photos is the HARDWOOD flooring, in a toilet of all places.  With the exception of some powder rooms, most builders will not even install hardwood in bathrooms. 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) over 7 years ago

Ditto Lenn....I see the flipper getting a really good deal on faux hardwood and thinking of ALL THE PLACES that he/she could put it....IN THE BATHROOM 

Posted by Wallace S. Gibson, CPM, LandlordWhisperer (Gibson Management Group, Ltd.) over 7 years ago

Hi Jay, interesting post on this "crappy" topic.  lol  We always look at flipped house for what the flipper covered up.

Posted by Bob Miller, The Ocala Dream Team (Keller Williams Cornerstone Realty) over 7 years ago

Lenn - when they said "hardwood flooring throughout" they meant it!  Everywhere.  Even the kitchen and baths.

The right photo is engineered hardwood Wallace, but no less vulnerable to damage and hard to scrape caulk off of!

This is the final installation Bob!  Not a cover up!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Jay, It'll be kind of tough to change out those wax rings won't it?  And that may be one of the ugliest caulk jobs I've ever seen.

Posted by Liz and Bill Spear, RE/MAX Elite Warren County OH (Cincinnati/Dayton) (RE/MAX Elite 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com) over 7 years ago

Gee, it just adds a unique quality to this bathroom!  Oh the nightmare of having to clean it and wondering if there are any challenges beneath the base that are being hidden...hmmm

Posted by Sara Homan, Realtor, Homes, Farms & 55+ (Coldwell Banker Ellison Realty 352-209-4044) over 7 years ago
Once again, I have to blame all the DIY shows on TV making everyone think they are 'plumbers', 'electricians', or 'carpenters'. The surprises we find make many property visits adventures.
Posted by Sandy Padula and Norm Padula, JD, GRI, Presence, Persistence & Perseverance (HomeSmart Realty West & Lend Smart Mortgage, Llc.) over 7 years ago

Bliz - I bet we don't need no stinkin' wax rings either!

Two different bathrooms Sara!  We wonder about all the hidden qualities too!

Norman - yeah, but the IQ that thinks they can remodel a bathroom in half an hour has to be questioned too...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago
DIY, you gotta laugh but I hope he used a wax seal when installing.
Posted by David Popoff, Realtor®,SRS, Green ~ Fairfield County, Ct (DMK Real Estate ) over 7 years ago

Hello Jay,

Oh dear, I wonder what things you may have discovered "repaired" in this home with duct tape as well...caulk and duct tape are the two essential products for home repairs, right?  LOL

Posted by Lisa Von Domek, ....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless! (Lisa Von Domek Team) over 7 years ago

Good morning, Jay.... what are people thinking when they do these weird things....

Posted by Barbara Todaro, Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team (RE/MAX Executive Realty - Retired ) over 7 years ago

Surprised that I did not see any duct tape.

Posted by Richard Burge Realty/ Burge Homes, Broker in Charge/Owner (Richard Burge Realty/Burge Homes) over 7 years ago

Those are classic. People do some weird stuff. In my years as a real estate agent in Boston with Remax I too have seen it all. It's amazing what people think is normal. Thank goodness there is a provision to get a home inspection when purchasing a home. 

Posted by Michael Mahoney, Boston Realtor with Century 21 (Century 21) over 7 years ago
Stand back I've got a caulk gun and I'm not afraid to use it. One day a flipper is going to get in so e serious legal trouble over this type of work.
Posted by Cindy Jones, Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News (Integrity Real Estate Group) over 7 years ago

My kindergarten teacher always taught me, "A little dab will do ya'" when it comes to glue.  Apparently, Mr. Flipper didn't go to class & stayed home watching Count Van Count on Sesame Street instead, dreaming about counting all the dollars taken from the hombuyer's pockets who try and buy his well-flipped houses.  Good thing there are good Home Inspectors out there who learned proper "Elmer's Etiquette" in Kindergarten class!

Posted by Joshua Frederick, Home Inspector in Defiance & all of Northwest Ohio (Home Inspector for ASPEC Residential Services, LLC) over 7 years ago

Would that be like having made a permanent and lasting impression on someone?  Enjoy the day sir :~)

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty) over 7 years ago

Everyone with a tool belt and a hammer thinks they're a contractor these days.  Most have neither the skill nor attention to detail to actually be a contractor.

Posted by Marc McMaster, Putting my clients before myself (RE/MAX Centre Realty) over 7 years ago

They did such a great job on the glue too! HA! I think I saw the father on Honey boo boo do this (no kidding).  Maybe the DIY'er needs to change the channel!

Posted by Kelly McGovern, Working with Kelly is a good move (Realty Concierge International) over 7 years ago

No deep socket set must have mean bring on the caulk. I don't know why they did not weld on a metal collar, ring to hold the throne.

Posted by Andrew Mooers | 207.532.6573, Northern Maine Real Estate-Aroostook County Broker (MOOERS REALTY) over 7 years ago

The funny thing is the ones that are all gooped up like this usually still leak anyway! The handy man is saying "how could that baby still possibly leak?"

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) over 7 years ago

Jay, makes me wonder if there is a wax ring behind all that glue. I'll bet it doesn't leak outside of the toilet anymore.

Posted by Michael Setunsky, Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA over 7 years ago

I have got to send this to my former boss who is a Master Plumber. I'm sure he's going to love this handy work. Even I know not to do this.

Posted by Jackie Connelly-Fornuff, "Moving at The Speed of YOU!" (Douglas Elliman Real Estate in Babylon NY) over 7 years ago

Thanks for the laugh this morning Jay!  Those toilets are definetly full of glue.  Not good.                                                         

Posted by Amanda Christiansen, Christiansen Group Realty (Christiansen Group Realty (260)704-0843) over 7 years ago

That is a "crappy" flipper if I ever seen one. . 

Thank you for keeping us on the edge of our seats Jay. .keep them coming!

Posted by Fernando Herboso - Broker for Maxus Realty Group, 301-246-0001 Serving Maryland, DC and Northern VA (Maxus Realty Group - Broker 301-246-0001) over 7 years ago

I've seen better caulking jobs Jay. 

I think it is important to note that the caulking isn't put there to hold back the water. If the toilet is leaking, I'd like to see it right away. With no fastened bolts, it's just a matter of time before this thing leaks. With this caulking, you would not see evidence of a leak until the wood flooring swelled up beyond repair. 

Posted by Tom Arstingstall, General Contractor, Dry Rot, Water Damage Sacramento, El Dorado County - (916) 765-5366, General Contractor, Dry Rot and Water Damage (Dry Rot and Water Damage www.tromlerconstruction.com Mobile - 916-765-5366) over 7 years ago
Wow! Makes me wonder the size of the people who needed such huge amounts of glue on their toilets.
Posted by Paula McDonald, Ph.D., Granbury, TX 936-203-0279 (Beam & Branch Realty) over 7 years ago

They could have gotten away with it if only they had bought one of those deep pile mats to get the toes comfy while reading

Posted by Ed Silva, Central CT Real Estate Broker Serving all equally (RE/MAX Professionals, CT 203-206-0754 ) over 7 years ago

David - that is something I will never know!

Exactly Lisa.  Along with WD-40.

Barbara - that they want those toilets secure!  Mission accomplished!

Richard - that was a personal disappointment for me too.

Cindy - not so long as people keep buying this stuff!  You know there are buyers out there who would not know this is incorrect...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Joshua - in my kindergarten class proper glue etiquette was eating it!  And I was a pro, if only to rile the girls.  Personally I am a fan of the thin, clean caulk line, but for others, no!

It is both those things James, and now on you!

Marc - but hey, strong is strong!

Kelly - that is one show I have never seen, but judging from a brief visit to a commercial about the upcoming show I can imagine that this is prime work.

Andrew - because it's a wood floor, you silly!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Fred - I would wonder too because you can see in the photo what prime caulk that is!

Mike - it hasn't been there long, so give it a few months!

Jackie - you are a few steps ahead of this flipper then!

Christiansens - well, they flushed!

Fernando - on the edge of either of those seats would be a fun experience!  I did answer you yesterday - there were so many comments that I got my answers out of order.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Um, Tom, you mean like on the post the other day, with the swollen floor and wallpaper in the shower?

Paula - I don't think this has anything to do with the size of the flipper!  Or potential occupants!

Ed - that might cover it up for a while!  But I always move those carpets and pads.  I ASSUME they are hiding something.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

I am sorry to have to say that this has been part of my do it yourself mentality for years but no longer in affect. When one doesn't know what to do, doing anything looks pretty good...Now, I just don't do if I don't know.....

Posted by Richie Alan Naggar, agent & author (people first...then business Ran Right Realty ) over 7 years ago

Richie - solid advice for life!  We should all be that circumspect.  What did Dirty Harry say, "A man's got to know his limitations."

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Jay, Now that is just lovely. Care was taken to ensure the pot does not shake when stirred ;)

Posted by Donald Hester, NCW Home Inspections, LLC (NCW Home Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

I can see you have vision Don.  This guy is a true genius - no future problems that I can see!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

There's so much wrong whith the whole concept, where do you start? Just the caulking wotk alone... dare I say it?...CRAPY.

Posted by Robert Butler, Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection (Aspect Inspection) over 7 years ago

Don't say it Robert.  Too obvious.

Well, to us maybe, but not to Flipper!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Jay, I can see what you are caulking about---very clear picture of the problem indeed.  Maybe they just need to drill a weep hole through the back side and call it good :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) over 7 years ago

Weep holes!  Now, Charlie, now I know what's missing!  Thanks!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Jay, you sure find the good ones!  All I can think of is "What in the world..." Not only is it impractical, but aesthetically it is so freakin' ugly and looks so amatuerish that I had a good chuckle.

Posted by Gary Frimann, CRS, GRI, REALTOR and Broker (Eagle Ridge Realty / Signature Homes & Estates) over 7 years ago

Gary - I think the other inspectors out there are very jealous that I have so much fun on home inspections!  Amateurish is the word!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Oh man that is priceless. I am not only a Loan Officer, I am also a flipper. I would flip my lid if one of my plumbers did this! One false move and a quick jog out the door and those wood floors are toast.

Posted by Chris "The Loan Ranger" McBrearty, NMLS 274079, FHA, VA, USDA, Loan Officer and Educator (People's Mortgage Company) over 7 years ago

They are Chris!  Did you see my post a couple of days ago about the swollen bathroom floor and wallpaper on the shower?  Classic!  Even a flipper could appreciate that!

http://activerain.com/blogsview/3612086/and-pulling-away-the-carpet-

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

My own home which I purchased 30 years ago, had a toilet that nearly had that much caulking.  The problem is, that you are probably better off seeing water come from beneath a toilet early on.  Otherwise, a leaky toilet can swell up the floor (if it's wooden, like mine was), and do even more damage to the subfloor.  Currently, my bathroom floors are both "healthy," but they have had their moments:-) 

Posted by Myrl Jeffcoat, Greater Sacramento Real Estate Agent (GreatWest Realty) over 7 years ago

Good for you Myrl.  The post a couple of days ago may have experienced exactly what you describe!

http://activerain.com/blogsview/3612086/and-pulling-away-the-carpet-

 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Jay, you have some great stories and pictures to show. That is too funny! I would insist that be repaired to a normal standard. 

Posted by Pamela Seley, Residential Real Estate Agent serving SW RivCo CA (West Coast Realty Division) over 7 years ago

You made the rounds tonight Pamela!  Good luck with those repairs!  They think this is ready to sell!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Some do and some don't Erica!  These don't!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

I am still looking for that special one. The one held down with the famous "Duck Tape" !  I did get the see the Duck Tape under the kitchen sink one time on the P-trap.

Posted by Chuck Mixon, Cutler Bay Specialist, GRI, CDPE, BPOR (The Keyes Company) over 7 years ago

Gluing is the new thing. Didn't you see it in your CEU's. It prevents the toilets from getting loose from side wipers.

Posted by Rob Ernst, Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor (Certified Structure Inspector) over 7 years ago

Honestly some of the worst homes I've seen are from flippers who think they know what they are doing.  I wish flippers and many builders too for that matter, would consult with someone in real estate before they do some of the crazy things they do. Trust me, buyers notice!

 

Posted by Christie Lane Craven, Your Anne Arundel County Agent (Blackwell Real Estate ) over 7 years ago

Chuck - every tool box should have duct tape, WD-40 and caulk.

Rob - haven't had that class yet, but now I will be on the look out! 

Christie - I have a flipper friend who actually employs me to do an inspection when he finishes a house and before he puts it on the market.  The inspection sometimes makes him do a lot of stuff!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

I can't believe I forgot about the WD40...and, the ever popular spray foam - I've seen it used in some interesting ways on home repairs!

Posted by Lisa Von Domek, ....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless! (Lisa Von Domek Team) over 7 years ago

As embarrassed as I was for you Lisa, I thought the gentle reminder was worth it.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

I can't get over how much glue and caulk they used  - crazy! And now it's more like the bathroom needs a remodel! 

Posted by Gina Tufano, Ask Gina & Company, Northern Virginia Real Estate (Ask Gina & Company with Pearson Smith Realty) over 7 years ago

LOL - so many creative uses (NOT), it's a good thing you keep track of them all for us!

Posted by Lisa Von Domek, ....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless! (Lisa Von Domek Team) over 7 years ago

Jay at first it was only hilarious but when I read rob's comment (#51) "SIDE WIPERS" !!  I fell off the toilet myself!  noot really but I did  lmao !

Posted by Bill Dean, William Dean - Broker, Salesperson (Haggerty Team St. Louis, Mo.) over 7 years ago

Gina - and they didn't use the right caulk!

Lisa - that is some fun stuff, to be sure!  Too bad it was such a tragic job!

Bill - he has a funny comment from time to time!  Glad you enjoyed the post!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

Caulk, glue, duct tape, bailing wire, its all in the flippers tool belt.

It should be , Honey get back in the car, we're outta here! 

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 7 years ago

Good to see you are finding stuff to do!  That should be another sign Jim - honey get back in the car!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 7 years ago

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