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This Must Be Considered "Finished Carpentry" On Some New Construction

At this point in my career as a home inspector I like to say that I am continually amazed but seldom surprised. 

This must be considered "finished carpentry" on some new construction.  HOW UNFORTUNATE.

There is laminate flooring throughout the house.  Looking like hardwood flooring, it must be treated as such when the finished carpentry is done.

Trim and molding needs to be set right.  Things should fit together attractively. 

FINISHED CARPENTRY SHOULD LOOK FINISHED.

Most of the doors in this house looked like this.

This is the left side of the master bathroom door.

The room is set up such that from the bed the bathroom and both closet doors would be viewed from the bed.

This gap looks right into the wall behind.

The door trim is dinged.

The molding is dinged.

The threshold to the bathroom is dinged.

And air can be felt coming from that hole under the right side of the door trim.

The door trim should go to the floor!

It should not be damaged and the floor molding should be fitted to it and look decorative.

Similarly, this is what you would see under the right side of that same door!

The paint job is sloppy.

The door trim and floor molding is weird at best.

The laminate flooring does not come together properly.

Air can be felt coming from under this trim too!

And in both of these photos the cleaning crew has already "prepared" the place for the buyer to move in!

Throughout the house only a couple of doors were done by someone who seems to know what he is doing.

THE REST DEMONSTRATE THIS LEVEL OF "PROFESSIONALISM."

My eighth-grade shop teacher would give a D for this only because the kid tried.

He would have taken this "professional" carpenter to the woodshed!  Along with the building supervisor.

My recommendation:  NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT MEAN YOU DON'T NEED A HOME INSPECTION.  My clients had been in this house many times and had not noticed these doors.  People don't know what they don't know!  There were a dozen other similarly unprofessional things done in this house.  Taken individually a buyer might not think it too much to overcome to make the house right.  But taken as a group of VERY unprofessional things done by different contractors any buyer would wonder greatly.  This buyer did.

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

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Comment balloon 26 commentsJay Markanich • August 20 2012 03:06AM

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Oh gosh, this is really sloppy work.  It looks like they did this in the wrong order...and that whowever did it factored for solid hardwood.  BTW, this kind of looks like prefinished engineered oak (maybe Bruce?).

Also, they could have accounted for most of the gap if they added in some extra plywood underneath the floor.  Bathroom height looks too high relative to bedroom.

Posted by Debbie Gartner, The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers (The Flooring Girl) about 6 years ago

Here is a seam Debbie.  It is a vinyl laminate.

In other areas of the house they dropped something and actually punctured this "top coating."

In the living/dining rooms you can see the staples poking up through the vinyl!

You are right, all in the wrong order.

These are not carpenters.  They come from the local 7-11, populated by hang abouters all day long.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

Oh gosh...vinyl.  Okay, that explains why it's an even larger gap.  Vinyl is thinner - usually 1/8".  And, it sounds like they forgot the floor prep - everything telegraphs through vinyl...and it will look even worse in about 3-4 months.  I hope they didn't get the vinyl planks from Home Depot.  If so, they will have another issue in about 6 months - the edges/corners will peel up as it has terrible adhesive.

Posted by Debbie Gartner, The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers (The Flooring Girl) about 6 years ago

I don't know Debbie!  I think the flooring was a big issue for them.  It should have been.  If they just happened to contact you for information you wouldn't mind, would you?

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

Morning Jay what can one say except I hope this is not going to be the new standard for flooring.  I just don't have the words.  Enjoy the day

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty AR LLC) about 6 years ago

James - so many things are now the "new normal."  I hope this isn't!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

Jay, I hope that was a homeowner project.  I'd hate to think that someone who does that for a living would do it like that, but I've seen worse I guess. 

Posted by Mike Cooper, Your Winchester, VA Real Estate Sales Pro (Cornerstone Business Group Inc) about 6 years ago

New construction and the builder uses vinyl laminate faux wood flooring!? I'd say the floor quality matches the workmanship. 

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) about 6 years ago

 

 
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Hi Jay,

You have pointed out what we in he inspection industry have been saying for years and years. There are so many defects in a home. It would boggle the mind. One house I has so may All I did was state "the entire finish trim in the home needs to be re done"

Get a home inspection, even on a new home. There are so many defect's in a new home. Not covered by the county or state inspector.

Have a great day in Virginia.

Best, Clint McKie

Posted by Clint Mckie, Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586 (Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections) about 6 years ago

Yet another reason to have a professional inspector looking over new construction.  Workmanship is just sloppy and if you don't hire trades that understand the product they are installing you are going to end up with a mess.

Posted by Cindy Jones, Pentagon, Fort Belvoir & Quantico Real Estate News (Integrity Real Estate Group) about 6 years ago

If I were a buyer purchasing new construction I would be quite angry by this level of "professionalism".  Ugh!

Posted by Kathryn Maguire, Serving Chesapeake, Norfolk, VA Beach (GreatNorfolkHomes.com (757) 560-0881) about 6 years ago

Jay, yet again, the lack of craftsmanship is rearing it's ugly head. You are right, it is becoming the norm and very sad. People have to stop accepting this kind of work and maybe it will stop. Have your new home inspected for craftsmanship and accept nothing less!!

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) about 6 years ago

Yo Jay! What sorry workmanship. Indeed this gets a grade of "F" because these guys were paid for this.

Now if I would have done this on my own house I would cut myself some slack :-)

Posted by Steve and Jan Bachman, Realtors - Northern Virginia (RE/MAX Gateway, Reston, Herndon, Ashburn, Sterling, Fairfax ) about 6 years ago

This can't likely be corrected after the fact with a punch list item. Hope the buyer walked.

Posted by Brad Rachielles, REALTOR, CDPE, Upland, CA (CENTURY 21 Peak, Ca BRE# 01489453) about 6 years ago

Hi Jay - If those pictures were taken here, I'd know that the home was built by one of two big national builders. I have no idea how they get away with work like this, but it happens a lot, and it's a shame.

Posted by Dick Greenberg, Northern Colorado Residential Real Estate (New Paradigm Partners LLC) about 6 years ago

Good afternoon Jay. New houses tend to be built at lower standards so I would think it is more important than ever to have an inspection done. Actually two, one pre-drywall/insulation and one finished.

Posted by Randy Ostrander, Real Estate Broker, Serving Big Rapids and West Central MI (Lake and Lodge Realty LLC ) about 6 years ago

Done by the subs Mike, done by the subs!  People ask me if this or that is a good builder.  My answer is that it depends on the supervisor on site, and the subs!

Jim - hi rollers all around!  The buyer was very unimpressed, even worried, with the flooring.

Clint - that about covered it!  I have not heard from my client as to how the walk through went with the builder.  I expect to!

Cindy - this is a disaster and everyone involved should be embarrassed.  IMO

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

Jay -- you mean your shop teacher would have allowed these characters to try finish wood working without first showing that they actually knew how to cut, assemble and properly finish their other handiwork?

Posted by Steven Cook (No Longer Processing Mortgages.) about 6 years ago

Kathryn - my shop teacher would have spanked these guys with his Board of Education.

Fred - this stuff is done because people accept it!  You are right!  I find it embarrassing.

Steve - you might cut yourself some slack, but Mr. Brautigam, my shop teacher, would not!  Then he would have worked with you so you understood how to make it beautiful.  He was a great guy.

Brad - why can't it be corrected?  I think it should be torn down and redone!  At best it's laughable.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

What do you know Dick, you may have hit that nail on the head here too!

Randy - you have actually seen this house before, in a post regarding pre-drywall!

Steven - see my answer to Steve above in #19.  By the time he was done with them, they would have pleased Norm on "This Old House!"

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

Jay - This looks like the perfect application for some very wide caulk. Doesn't Billy Jays have a suitable product for this?

Posted by John Mulkey, Housing Guru (TheHousingGuru.com) about 6 years ago

John - you know he does, but this builder is probably uninformed.

http://activerain.com/blogsview/1577379/put-yer-putty-

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

Jay, Finish carpentry takes time so who wants to do that? Caulk and putty are today's finish work.

Posted by Donald Hester, NCW Home Inspections, LLC (NCW Home Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

I know Don!  What were these people thinking!?  When caulk, putty (and duct tape) is so available, they are fooling around with floor trim.

Think about it.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

This is yet another reason strongly recommend that your clients call Jay if you afre withing a hundred or so miles of Bristow!  He finds everything, and he really knows how to explain it to our clients.

Posted by Patricia Kennedy, Home in the Capital (RLAH Real Estate) about 6 years ago

Thanks very much Pat!  That's a big area!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 6 years ago

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