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Is YOUR Stud Supportive?

Well, the question remains - is YOUR stud supportive?

Studs sometimes have to be jacks of all trades!  They should be long, tall, strong - everything you want in a stud!

This steel beam is a MAJOR load point under one side of this house.

It continues from here behind the photo to anchor into a foundation wall.

And it continues from here forward another 10' or so.

Looking into the gap, that span is supported by, yes, 2x4 studs!  And part of that 10' is a six foot opening for a double door into a bath/laundry room!

The load point you see here is under a point where there is a collection of joists supporting what is above - a load-bearing wall, the corner of a staircase, and a point where what are probably two different double micro-laminate beams come together.

This point is a single stud!  The more orange 2x4 on the right is not touching anything.

Absolutely, positively sure that nothing will slip, however, Flipper, not his real name, glued a very attractive "shim" to the beam on the top of the stud that was cut slightly too short!

Don't worry.  There is a single toe nail holding the stud to the shim!

The question does remain - is YOUR stud supportive?  I hope so.  And as cute as this one is.

I think this stud is trying to appear depended on, but is not supportive enough...

What should the support be?  Metal columns, attached to the beam (typically with weld points) and buried into their own support under the slab.  I could not tell if there were any metal columns at all under this beam.

My recommendation:  what more can be said but, when you are looking over the finery of the most recent flip your clients want to buy, LOOK CAREFULLY!  Things may not always be as they appear!

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 22 commentsJay Markanich • July 08 2012 03:23AM

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Cute is good...supportive probably better...hope you can provide insight to my blog today...hmmm ?

Posted by Sally K. & David L. Hanson, WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce (EXP Realty 414-525-0563) about 8 years ago

I always check in Sally!  How about now?

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 8 years ago
Jay, boy that title really caught my interest. In fact last month I had an inspector find a deck joist with no supports. It was only two foot off the ground which wouldn't have been a big collapse but glad that it was found and fixed.
Posted by Debbie Reynolds, Your Dedicated Clarksville TN Real Estate Agent (Platinum Properties) about 8 years ago

Good morning, Jay..... imagine if that buyer did not opt for a home inspection....

Posted by Barbara Todaro, Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team (RE/MAX Executive Realty - Retired ) about 8 years ago

Debbie - that is not a surprising find!  The mantra:  you have to look!

Barbara - this was a flip with lots of problems!  Every system in the house had problems.  Yesterday's post was the first of a couple more.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 8 years ago

Well, the answer to your first question is yes. I am supportive :-)

Looks like they glued the shim to the beam so it wouldn't shift... yeah. I agree with you, should be metal columns. That whole thing wreaks of amateurism (is that a word?) And is that a waste drain line running under the beam with the 2X4 sitting on top of it?

Posted by Fred Hernden, CMI, Albuquerque area Master Inspector (Superior Home Inspections - Greater Albuquerque Area) about 8 years ago

It's unfortunate when flippers do this.  The short cuts show up later and are much harder/more expensive to fix later.

Last week an agent asked me to see if could figure out why the hardwood in the MBR was bouncy.  I could tell right away...I could feel the joists right underneath...there as no plywood subfloor.  It surprised me since it was such beautiful and upscale home (maybe 1.5 million?)  I checked underneath the registers on the first floor...which did have plywood, but only 1/2".  Skimping everywhere.  Very sad.

Posted by Debbie Gartner, The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers (The Flooring Girl) about 8 years ago

What a "professional" job!  Flipper just gets more creative with each of his masterpieces!

Posted by Kathryn Maguire, Serving Chesapeake, Norfolk, VA Beach (GreatNorfolkHomes.com (757) 560-0881) about 8 years ago

Good points Jay!  We see poor quality "flippers" all the time.  Unfortunate but true.  Thanks for pointing out these specifics.

Posted by Bobbie Smith, 570-242-1891 about 8 years ago

Of course it should be metal Fred!  Does a 2x4 have the guts for this?!

Debbie - skimp and save, skimp and save.  What's amazing, there isn't enough time to do it right the first time, but time to come back later to "fix" it?

Kathryn - this is one creative guy!  Bad at what he's doing, but creative!

Thanks Bobbie.  It is very unfortunate, and around here the bad flippers are rife!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 8 years ago

Good morning Jay. Whenever I hear someone say they don't need an inspection I pull up your blog and 9 out of 10 change their minds. Good job.

Posted by Randy Ostrander, Real Estate Broker, Serving Big Rapids and West Central MI (Lake and Lodge Realty LLC ) about 8 years ago

When studs no longer do their job it is off to the glue factory---of course glue won't help this one much

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 8 years ago

Jay - A little common sense might have helped. It should be obvious, even to a "flipper" that the installation is lacking.

Posted by John Mulkey, Housing Guru (TheHousingGuru.com) about 8 years ago

And wait Randy!  Remember, this house had the final occupancy permit so the County "approved" it!  To me that is an indictment of the county inspection, because they likely didn't see this!

Shadow - I thought women would be checking the blog to look at the stud!  You took the word in another direction!  They did glue it!

This is really ridiculous John.  I hope there are lalley columns buried in the walls, but there's no proof of that.  I told the clients to ask the flipper if he has photos of the skeletal install to see what the columns are.  What do you bet there are no photos?

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 8 years ago

Jay, you know me---always going in some other direction :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 8 years ago

Hey, you got the glue right!  And a fine glue job that was too...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 8 years ago

Jay, and I am totally serious (because you may find this hard to believe).  There used to be this pole barn builder in upstate NY that had a truck that said:  "For perfect erections every time call _________________."  A carpenter offering "Stud service" would likely be no different---but nonetheless confusing.  Gotta love the double entendre :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 8 years ago

That sounds like the bumper stickers you see for all the trades Charlie.  "Carpenters do it with _____________..." and name your whatever.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 8 years ago

Well Jay one thing I can say about you sir is that you sure know your studs.  I say nothing else except enjoy the day :~)

Posted by James Dray, Exceptional Agents, Outstanding Results (Fathom Realty) about 8 years ago

What can I say James!  It's not like I have a farm anywhere...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 8 years ago

Everyone knows studs are manly and strong. I see no problem, especially since it has been glued and nailed ;)

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) about 8 years ago

This one had really hairy armpits too Jim.  Further proof.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 8 years ago

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