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"Well, They Never Use It..."

Sometimes the listing agent will show up toward the end of a home inspection to "see if there are any questions [the] can answer." 

Can I translate that into people speak?  "Are there any problems I should know about now.  I want to gird my loins." 

Sometimes the translation is:  "I am ready to argue with you about anything."

May I say, and I know who my major audience is here, I don't like it when the "other" agent shows up at a home inspection and I certainly don't like arguments.  There is no place for this sort of thing.  Buyers should have unfettered access to a house for an inspection (without homeowners or listing agents present) and should be able to stay as long as they need to have their questions answered.

THAT IS MY OPINION, OF COURSE.

Take this chimney for instance.

It is a disaster.  The chimney cap and metal assembly are broken, coming apart and literally stuck up there with a couple of drywall screws!

Water and debris have been getting in for some time.

The flat metal top is rusting through, and water is getting behind everything.  That algae up there isn't drinking malted milk.  You can see that water is coming from inside the siding.

So much water has been getting in that the roof sheathing is rotting.  See the dramatic sag in the roof to the right of the chimney?

Inside the house, the fireplace was in similar condition.  Damaged, coming apart, rusting and UNSAFE.

This fireplace was one of many safety issues with this house, but a biggie!  The buyers really wanted a fireplace in their next home.  They were hoping to have one!

We are beginning to leave the house, I am packed up, bag and ladder in hand, and in sashays the listing agent.  Her practiced line is out of her mouth practically before she steps over the thresh hold.  The "any questions" line.  She intentionally faced with her back to me, dismissing me like a mother cat ignoring her kittens by swishing them away with her tail.

The buyers, mistakenly, mentioned how much they were looking forward to having a fireplace and this one is very unsafe.

This horrific and nuclear defamation of the house was more than she could bear!  And she launched with a couple of out-of-context sentences, not the least bit cogent, and silly really, ending with, "Well, they (the sellers) never use it, so it comes as is."

The buyers had no come back.  I think they were shocked by her diatribe.

Perhaps out of line, I put my bag down, walked in front of the agent, bent down so my eyes were level with hers, smiled and softly and calmly said, "This fireplace is not the only issue with this house.  There are many!  But it was something that disappointed MY CLIENTS because they were really looking forward to a fireplace.  This one is unsafe and could only be used if completely rebuilt, along with all the associated damage it has caused.  The sellers may not use it, but that is irrelevant.  They are selling it to someone else, clearly advertising that the house has a fireplace!  That's a bit like selling a car to someone, advertising air conditioning, and finding out after the deal that it doesn't work, saying hey, no problem, the seller doesn't use it!  I find that a bit silly.  DON'T YOU AGREE?"

I learned to use those last three words when studying debate in school.  When you DO make a clear and cogent point, in contrast to your debate opponent, using the phrase "don't you agree?" really cements your case.

HOW COULD SHE ARGUE WITH THAT?

With that I picked up my stuff, and walking toward the door said to my clients, "Thanks guys!  I will email you the report tonight."

Walking out the door I thought I heard music.  Yes, I'm sure I did.  I heard "Under My Thumb," by the Rolling Stones, and the lines:

" It's down to me, oh yeah,
The way she talks when she's spoken to.
Down to me, the change has come,
She's under my thumb
Yeah, it feels alright... "

My recommendation:  stand your ground!  "A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger."  Wow, that should be a proverb!

 



Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

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Comment balloon 55 commentsJay Markanich • April 22 2012 04:34AM

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Jay, I believe the contract for a Home Inspection is between you (the inspector) and the buyer. I always show up as the buyers agent but never as a listing agent. Thanks for a great post!

Posted by David Burrows, No Pressure, Just Seriously Devoted to Real Estate (Classic Realty) over 6 years ago

Thanks David.  There is plenty of time for the listing agent to hear about and react to any home inspection items.  And in Virginia, we have a contract that states that the house conveys as is and the seller is responsible for nothing anyway.

I understand the desire to find out what is going on, but not in that fashion.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Good  morning, Jay....some listing agents just don't know how to deliver the truth (or bad news) and that's the type of answer they give hoping it will all just go away!!!! 

Posted by Barbara Todaro, "Franklin MA Homes" (RE/MAX Executive Realty ) over 6 years ago

Well, good luck with it going away Barbara!  And, this fireplace was one thing of many, many.  The house was not cared for.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

David and Barbara summed up the key points. There is no buyer protection if the inspector turns his head at a problem during a home inspection! And, the problem does not go away. You need a magician for that! Enjoy your day!

Posted by Wayne Martin, Real Estate Broker - Retired (Wayne M Martin) over 6 years ago

Yes, it sounds like that agent was out of line.  I wonder if this is her standard approach and whether she knew of some of these isses before.

it will be interesting to see how the agent/seller handles things in the future w/ this home. 

Also, I think the buyer's agent needs to coach his/her clients on what to say/not say.  In this case, it may be irrelevant since it sounds lilke they are not going to buy.

Posted by Debbie Gartner, The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers (The Flooring Girl) over 6 years ago

(I think that you have already be beaten to the punch for making that a Proverb!)  Wow!  As-is is something stated in the contract frequently for fireplaces but that does not mean that one that is so damaged that it is causing issues with the rest of the house is something entirely different.  I think that you had a better debating coach than she did...

 

Posted by Kathryn Maguire, Serving Chesapeake, Norfolk, VA Beach (GreatNorfolkHomes.com (757) 560-0881) over 6 years ago

WHERE IS THE BUYER'S AGENT????

That old "Don't you agree?" doesn't work with everyone.  Nor does the equally old "I'm sure you'll agree". 

 

 

 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) over 6 years ago

I would suggest that, if the fireplace is no longer operable and safe, it should be bricked up and drywalled off and that decrepit chimney removed prior to listing. 

GEEZ!!!

 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) over 6 years ago

My thought was the same as Lenn's, where was the buyer's agent? I also would have probably approached the agent in a similar manner. I find it a bit rude when agents act like you aren't even in the room. After all I just inspected the house, you might want to include me in the conversation. 

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 6 years ago

I show up at the end of inspections to get a general feel of the inspection from the buyer's agent.  I am not looking for details just an up or down. I am assuming the buyers agent shows up!

Posted by Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty, Fifteen Years Experience in Brevard County (Bucci Realty, Inc.) over 6 years ago

Just for you. Must watch. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWfIw30A4_A

 

At some point, the selling agent does need to understand the findings. 

Posted by Erv Fleishman, Luxury Prop Specialist Realty Associates (Realty Associates) over 6 years ago

Jay, I often suspect fireplaces are more trouble than they're worth.  More often than not when we have an owner with a WBFP, they haven't even used it in years.  It may or may not be full functional, so unless there's some blatant issues like you found, it will take a fireplace/chimney inspection to verify.

Posted by Liz and Bill Spear, RE/MAX Elite Warren County OH (Cincinnati/Dayton) (RE/MAX Elite 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com) over 6 years ago

The listing agent at a home inspection?

Posted by Vanessa Saunders, From Manhattan to the Catskills of New York (Global Property Systems Real Estate) over 6 years ago

No listing agent at home inspections in my area.  Thankfull it hasn't happened to me...  yet.                              

Posted by Amanda Christiansen, Christiansen Group Realty (Christiansen Group Realty (260)704-0843) over 6 years ago

I see the point of not having listing agent there. Can be uncomfortable for buyers etc. As a new agent, and several years ago I went to every one and learned so much, the experience is invaluable and made me a better listing agent. I recently came in at the end of the HI (my listing) and cringed while reading this, hoping my presence was not taken as a bad thing the other day. But actually seeing the problems with the HI explaining the issue is benificial especially when the seller is out of town.

Posted by Ellen Dittman, #1 Stop for NE FLA-JAX/OP 904.535.1199 (TEXT OK) r (Watson Realty Corp.) over 6 years ago

Jay, its interesting how listings agents go into a defensive mode with these off the cuff statements. If the sellers never used the fireplace and it was sold "as is", it should have been noted in the listing agreement.

Posted by Michael Setunsky, Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA over 6 years ago

Wow, I've never had a listing agent show up to a home inspection. I wouldn't be pleased if they did. I'm wondering how the sellers didn't notice their roof sagging?

Posted by Amanda S. Davidson, Alexandria Virginia Homes For Sale (Amanda Davidson Real Estate Group) over 6 years ago

This matter is far more serious than the discussion would indicate. 

For one thing, the "as is" description is QUALIFIED by the home inspection contingency.  The transaction doesn't end with the Contract of Sale.  That's just one step along the way.

Once a home inspection contains evidence of a serious or MATERIAL defect, things change dramatically.  In fact, if I'm not mistaken, a fireplace/chimney/contiguous room is, to many builders considered STRUCTURAL. 

In this case, structural defect appears to describe the condition and it is a MATERIAL defect.

Must the seller make repairs?  NO!

Must the buyer buy the house?  NO!

Must the seller disclose the defect to future buyers?  NO!

Must the listing broker disclose the material defect to future buyers?  YES!

In Virginia, sellers simply say to the prospective buyer, "Want to know condition??"  Get your inspectors in to give you that information."

It makes perfect sense and avoids the danger of buyers relying on sellers for property condition information.

 

 

 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) over 6 years ago

Jay, 

Love how you handled that, the seller's agent is hoping to sweep problems under the table in this case.  We haven't run into this at the inspection here, but I am sure it does happen often.  My most difficult seller was a relative, who wanted to pretend there weren't any problems.   As we shared with them, if we know about them in Georgia, we are obligated to share them or make sure they are on the disclosure.   

As a seller's agent I give the buyer's and their inspectors free reign, anything else seems like you are interfering with the information. 

All the best, Michelle

Posted by Michelle Francis, Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease (Tim Francis Realty LLC) over 6 years ago

I hate when the inspector says eveything looks fine (whether I am the listing or selling agent) and then emails a report that has $2000+ worth of inspection repairs. That is not fine. Please feel free to say there are some problems and I will provide them in the report, but don't say everything looks good or is fine. That just leaves the buyer/seller confused and disappointed later.

Posted by Than Maynard, Broker - Licensed to List & Sell - 405-990-8862 (Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma) over 6 years ago

Its a matter of math...Add or subtract until we find that "happy" column that makes sense. Put a value on repairs, defects or potential problems and move toward resolution. I still don't get how people can go around this elephant... 

As a side note. We have history in the making .Lenn commenting THREE TIMES ON A POST .Her radar has been triggered

Posted by Richie Alan Naggar, agent & author (people first...then business Ran Right Realty ) over 6 years ago

You handled it better than most. Personally, I wouldn't have discussed it with listing agent, and buyers shouldn't have either ( as you mentioned) until they reviewed report with their agent who should have been present for inspection.

 That is obvious neglect of maintenance, and probably a fire hazard if used in that condition. Is there an HOA? They would most likely have to approve any removal of that chimney, and replacement with masonry or something other than what the house came with. Usually those style fireplaces can be demoed and replaced for $2-$3000.00, or if just the top 8' could be replaced to solve the problems, much less. Was it wood or gas? How how much damage was done to plywood, truss, whatever is behind siding, etc?

 If buyers like everything else about the house, they should be able to work out a solution.

 

Posted by Jeff Pearl, Full Service Full Time Realtor (RE/MAX Distinctive / LIC in VA) over 6 years ago

I can't imagine trying to push a house onto an unsuspecting buyer.  If something they really want doesn't work that should be a deal breaker.  Jeeze!

Posted by Mike Cooper, Your Winchester, VA Real Estate Sales Pro (Cornerstone Business Group Inc) over 6 years ago

I never show up at inspections when I'm the listing broker. If the buyer wants to ask for something they can do so through their agent.

Tom

Posted by Tom Branch, Broker, CDPE, SFR, ACRE, Plano TX Ambassador (RE/MAX Dallas Suburbs) over 6 years ago

I posted on Lenn's re-blog but she deleted it for some reason. Better here anyway :) I had a buyer in which their inspector took 4 hours to complete the inspection and then had the seller (who was also the listing agent) read me the riot act about how dare I find that much wrong with his property! I thought, well maybe if you flipped a property using more than band-aids and duct tape it might help!

Posted by Tammy Emineth, Content Marketer, SEO Teacher, Website Fixer (Personal SEO - Website SEO and Real Estate Marketing) over 6 years ago

Jay, Thanks for the post. I've seen some older homes with a roof sag next to the chimney and did not realize what the problem was.

Posted by Wayne Jackson, North Idaho Realtor, Serving Coeur dnullAlene and Hayden Lake (Lakeshore Realty 208-714-4109) over 6 years ago

No one likes when the house insn't what everyone though it was but there is no need for people to be rude. No house is perfect and people should never expect it is. Often the money you didn't spend on maintenance cost more in the future to repair the larger problem. 

Posted by Rob Ernst, Reno, NV-775-410-4286 Inspector & Energy Auditor (Certified Structure Inspector) over 6 years ago

The listing agent is sure out of line here. Not only by showing up to an inspection paid for by the buyers, but by trying to say that something is "as is" if that has not previously been disclosed.

Posted by Leslie G. Rojohn, GRI, ABR ~ MoonDancer Realty (MoonDancer Realty) over 6 years ago

I came from Lenn's reblog. What a silly response....don't use it! That said...as a buyer's agent or listing agent, I go to ALL inspections. And as a buyer's agent, I like the listing agent to come and hear results also. Frankly....it's not a competition, we're trying to make sure all parties move forward. 

That said....as a listing agent, I never speak. I never agree or disagree with anything. I rarely ask questions (only if I really can't determine what they are saying). I listen and make sure the home is locked up when we leave. This does give me insight into issues that might come up....and helps me address it with my seller. 

I know this is controversial...but in California, the seller is entitled to the inspection report and I see nothing wrong with listening....but I'd never insert opinions, question, or argue. That's just professional courtesy.

Posted by Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner, Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395 (Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395) over 6 years ago

Jay, Well that was a fun read ; )  Love the descriptive posturing very good. Fireplaces seem to be always a bit of a bugaboo. They are romantic but they seem to carry a lot of issues with them.

Posted by Donald Hester, NCW Home Inspections, LLC (NCW Home Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Jay,

Any agent who disputes safety related issues needs their head examined.

Rich

Posted by Richard Iarossi, Crofton MD Real Estate, Annapolis MD Real Estate (Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage) over 6 years ago

As I was scrolling down to comment, my thought was "where was their agent?"  But I see Lenn jumped on that too!  Not only that, but PRIOR to writing up their offer and hiring the home inspection I can see things like this and would advise my clients that repairs are negotiated, but they are not a given -- unless it's a lender's required repair (which this might very well be).  I don't want my clients to spend the money on a home inspection if I know that they may actuallly want to walk if things are repaired for them. 

Posted by Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED (RETIRED / State License is Inactive) over 6 years ago

I too was wondering where the buyer's agent was---they typically deal with this kind of static around here---and I am grateful for it.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) over 6 years ago

Comment #4.

Carla makes two great points. 

Since the home inspector wrote this defect as a safety matter, the appraisal may be "conditioned" on that repair being made. 

Also, when we buyer's agents see such obvious defects, without getting technical, our best advice to a buyer is to move on. Far too many buyers have the thought in their minds that sellers must make repairs.  Nothing is farther from accurate.  Why spend valuable money on a home inspection to be told what we can easily see??

 

 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) over 6 years ago

I am also questioning where the buyer's agent was.  I had a listing agent present once at an inspection to "hold her seller's hand".  She stayed out of the way and didn't bother us - she really was sitting with her seller.

This stuff sounds too scary to me and we've purchased foreclosures without these kinds of problems.  I might suggest my buyer walk if the seller won't do anything.  In my area, everything is expected to be in working condition unless otherwise noted and if it is an "As-is" sale it must be designated as such as the buyers have to initial the "As-is" paragraph on the contract.

Posted by Judy Orr, SW & Near West Chicago suburbs (HomeSmart Realty Group) over 6 years ago

Doesn't matter if the seller uses it or not! Buyer might just want to use it. 

That's why we recommend a home inspection, right?

 

Posted by Erica Ramus, MRE, Schuylkill County PA Real Estate (Erica Ramus - Ramus Realty Group - Pottsville, PA ) over 6 years ago

Jay - If I ever move to VA, I'm calling you to inspect the home I purchase. Not only do you offer some of the most thorough inspections I've seen, your responses alone to sellers, agents and others are worth your fee.

Posted by John Mulkey, Housing Guru (TheHousingGuru.com) over 6 years ago

That seller's agent must have felt the sale slipping away...but that's no reason to react defensively and angrily to a safety issue. Perhaps this wasn't the first time she was told the fireplace was in poor condition...

Posted by Tim Bradley, Commercial Real Estate Expert in Jackson Hole, WY (Contour Investment Properties) over 6 years ago

Yikes!  Just getting home from a long day (working hard, just not doing secular work, if you catch my thinly-veiled church mention).  I will get on these tonight.

Wow, this stimulated some debate!  Love it!

FOR ALL INTERESTED, THESE BUYERS BROUGHT THEIR OWN SET OF PROBLEMS.  THEY OWN PROPERTIES IN MANY STATES AND FELT THAT THEY WERE/ARE SO EXPERIENCED THEY DID NOT NEED AN AGENT.

I JUMPED IN, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE WIDE-EYED CHILDREN AND NEEDED A BIG BOY TO HELP OUT, BUT BECAUSE THE AGENT DISMISSED ME SO IMPOLITELY AND HER COMMENT MADE ME SEE RED.  HOWEVER, SHE DID NOT HEAR ANY "RED" COME FROM ME OR MY FEELINGS.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Wayne - on this house, David Copperfield would have had to conjure up a lot of illusions to make a whole bunch of things right!

Debbie - this was the house with the very cute fence I posted about last week!  Who knows, maybe we were the 15th home inspection on this joint and she had already had her fill of bad messages!

Kathryn - 15: 1  Are you sure it's 15: 1 already taken?  That wasn't the only problem with 15: 1 the house, for sure!  And 15: 1, it wasn't a debate, just a soft 15: 1 put-in-her-place answer.  15: 1

No agent Lenn!  These are very savvy buyers, owning lots of properties, and have been through this so many times an agent wasn't necessary.  Yes, my tongue is firmly in my cheek, but true it is - no agent!

And I find that this line works with people who know they haven't a leg to stand on.

Lenn - interestingly, I think this chimney (covered in vinyl siding where the rest of the house has aluminum) is built around the ORIGINAL chimney.  Hmmm... what could they be hiding?

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Jim - I hear you.  It is apparent we inspectors all experience the same things!  No agent here.  They "didn't need one."

Gary - that happens, but the agents will all hear sooner than later!  And, as you have read, no other agent here.

Erv - where do you find this stuff!  That was a riot!  I laughed the whole time!

When I sold my previous house, Bliz, I had not used the fireplace in 10 or more years.  But before I put it on the market I had a sweep come by to investigate, clean and repair.

Vanessa - sometimes!  I am one who wishes they would simply wait to receive a copy of it, along with any addendum.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Well, Christiansen Team, from time to time here.  Many times it isn't a problem, but many times it is!

Ellen - I am a teacher and very good at explaining things if asked.  But when confronted I get rubbed the wrong way.  However, buyers are doing something very important and they have little opportunity to examine the house unfettered by other influences.  The home inspection should be their time.

I agree with that Mike.  And you know me, I am not a brutish force.  The house is the house.  All I am doing is reporting.

Amanda - perhaps, but there were so many things with this house that they did notice and ignored, it is hard to imagine they did not know what they were doing.

All true Lenn.  And you make this case even better on your reblog, which I highly recommend people read!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

That's pretty solid advice Michelle.  Sounds like GA is similar to here.

I agree Than.  I am very much inclined not to say anything to anyone but the buyers at a home inspection.  Everyone will find out soon enough.

Richie - if I claimed here that I know which Lenn buttons to push it would not be true!  I don't!  But I do know her to be a straight shooter and you can probably see that in her posts and comments!

As to the elephant, it does seem to always be there!

Jeff - this fireplace was a big problem, but not the only big problem!  And overall, I wish the listing agent had not shown up.  She had let us in earlier, but that should have been the extent of her involvement.

Mike - that is the crux of my post a while back called "Caveat Omnia!"  Beware of everything!  There is no Golden Rule any longer.

 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Tom - agreed.  That is what the addendum is all about. 

Tammy - this was no flip.  They are living there and want very much to sell.  Maybe you haven't seen my many Flipper blogs, but I am a true skeptic!

Wayne - the causes can be various, but the sagging is from compromised wood - rot or cracking.

All true Rob.  And there is time to review the inspection findings and address them individually.  Costs often are more than anticipated, as you suggest!

Leslie - everything in VA is as is, according to the contract.  But you are right, they advertised a fireplace and as such, you would think, it should work!

 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Karen - I have never had a listing agent attent the entirety of a home inspection.  If that was to happen I would probably politely suggest that they wait elsewhere and for the results when an addendum is brought forth.  In my opinion the buyers should have unfettered access to an expensive thing they are buying.

Don - I think this was a fireplace inside of another fireplace frame.  It was a disaster inside and out.  And unsafe!

Rich - and this wasn't the only safety issue with the house.  I would be very concerned if these issues are not fixed prior to the next buyer's offer.

Carla - usually that would be the case, especially with an agent involved.  But alas, these buyers had no agent!

Charlie - you may have seen my other comments, but these buyers "didn't need one."  They were very savvy...  

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Lenn - you are right on there.  These were things certainly visible just from walking around the house.  But the savvy buyer oftentimes is not at all savvy!

All true Judy.  You may have seen the other comments.  No agent!  And you have seen probably, in Virginia every house comes "as is."

Agreed Erica.  That was a perfectly irrelevant position to take.

Thank you John.  But I do what most inspectors do, I am pretty sure.  I do try to be thorough and think things through though.

Tim - for all I know, this was the lastest of a dozen times this property has slipped away!

 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago
It is what it is. Just because the seller hasn't or doesn't use something in the house doesn't change the fact it may be deficient. The buyer needs to know the whole story therefore that is why they have home inspections done. Then they can make a decision if they want to live with it or not.
Posted by Debbie Reynolds, Your Dedicated Clarksville TN Real Estate Agent (Platinum Properties) over 6 years ago

I think that's right Debbie.  For certain some people can be unreasonable, but if there is a real deficiency the listing agent can't expect to just turn it over!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Jay I respect your opinion, but in my area it is not only customary, but most equity sellers require their own agents to be in the home during inspections. I suppose if it made you uncomfortable, the buyers would need a new inspector? it might be nice for buyers to have unfettered access...but it's still someone else's home and they get to set the rules.

Posted by Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner, Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395 (Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395) over 6 years ago

Well, Karen, that's the old saying, different strokes for different states!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

Jay -- really, vinyl vs. aluminum?   Whatever the sellers were thinking when they did that (or maybe they bought it that way, because they didn't have a great inspector) just shows you would expect to find other problems throughout.

Posted by Steven Cook (No Longer Processing Mortgages.) over 6 years ago

Who knows when this was done Steven.  But this chimney was a mess, aluminum or vinyl!  I think it was a chimney outside the original one.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

As sad as it is to say, I've heard similar things uttered by listing agents that have attended inspections before.

Posted by Justin Dibbs, REALTOR® - Ashburn Virginia Homes for Sale (Pearson Smith Realty) over 6 years ago

It's amazing to me how sometimes agents take the side of their clients even when they know it is wrong Justin.  And I don't know why, like it will aid the sale or something.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 6 years ago

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