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The Cricket Isn't Cricket

What do you do when the cricket isn't cricket?

Do you know what a cricket is?

It's a little, triangular feature roofers build behind a wide chimney.  In roofing slang, it's called a cricket!

It's intended to divert water around that chimney, so it doesn't flow rapidly down a roof and splash violently into the chimney, causing a leak.

I would assume this cricket has been behind this chimney long before the recent roof shingle replacement.

But even if the cricket was built then, it wasn't angled or flashed properly.

How do I know this?

BECAUSE I WENT INTO THE ATTIC TO CHECK IT!

You can see the chimney brick on the right.

You can see the leak on the left.

You can see the severe leak problem.

You can see the rot developing.

You can see a lot is going on!

Gee, I'll have to go into attics more often...     ;>)

So something will have to be done here as well as over the garage!

I don't know if this problem pre-existed the recent shingle replacement, or if it developed since.

If it is pre-existing, they sure didn't fix it as it's soaked now.

And if it developed since, well, the same applies here as did on the previous post!

My recommendation:  a recently-replaced roof may or may not be professionally done.  It's best to find out!  I'd call an experienced home inspector!

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 23 commentsJay Markanich • September 12 2011 07:00AM

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Good to know. And good thing to check. Never want water in your house. Good luck. Good point.
Posted by JOSH EVANS *JoshEvansHomes 516-655-5000 (Village Properties of Mineola, LLC) about 9 years ago

Hi Jay,

Good find, Some of us builders call those "saddles" as well.

 The homeowner needs to get back with the roofer to see if they actually took care of the leak problem or just covered it up.

Best, Clint McKie 

Posted by Clint Mckie, Desert Sun Home, Comm. Inspection 1-575-706-5586 (Desert Sun Home, commercial Inspections) about 9 years ago

Good morning, Jay. IMHO, chimneys are a hole in the roof in which home owners pour money in. I have yet to see a chimney that doesn't leak...

Posted by TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc., Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) about 9 years ago

Josh - thanks.  Glad to be instructive!

Clint - new word for me!  I bet there are a lot of slang words for these.

Michael - every house will leak somewhere at some time!  Gotta keep up with it.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Thanks Jay -- I got some edumacation this morning.   They think us women don't know some of these little tidbits, but with this mini blog of yours, I am learning.   Thank you.   Have a great day.

Posted by Bud & Beth McKinney, Cary/Raleigh/Apex NC - The Team That Cares, RE/MAX United (RE/MAX UNITED) about 9 years ago

Good morning Professor  Inspector Jay;  I'm learning.  Thanks again for the daily lesson.

Posted by Kenneth Cole, NYS Licensed Real Estate Salesperson (Weichert Realtors Appleseed Group, 2043 Richmond Ave. S.I.N.Y. 10314. office phone 718-698-9797, Appleseedhomes.com -) about 9 years ago

Thanks Beth.  The intent here is to edumacate, as you say.  Glad to contribute!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Ken - it's best to play cricket when you are playing cricket.  And when finishing off a roof.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

There are lots of "roofers" ....fair weather contractors that are clueless when it comes to the workPersonship....best to get recommendations from past customers...realtors...maybe even a home inspector !

Posted by Sally K. & David L. Hanson, WI Real Estate Agents - Luxury - Divorce (EXP Realty 414-525-0563) about 9 years ago

Sounds like a good plan S&D.

By the way, I looked up workpersonship and couldn't find it.  Should I look under the personholecover in the street?   ;>)

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay, Looks like that attic area is getting bad fast.  All the right conditions for it to blossom into even worse.

Posted by Liz and Bill Spear, RE/MAX Elite Warren County OH (Cincinnati/Dayton) (RE/MAX Elite 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com) about 9 years ago

This is an immediate repair need Bliz!  But, we'll see.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Fortunately, gas fireplaces which vent through the wall are much more common in Charlotte NC and SC.  Of the many homes we have sold with a wood burning fireplace in our area, about 10% seem to leak at the chimney penetration to the roof or around the flue at the top of the chimney.  Of those that leak, most have missing or improperly constructed crickets.

Posted by Daniel H. Fisher, MCRP - Charlotte Real Estate, NC or SC (www.FisherHermanRealty.com (704) 617-3544) about 9 years ago

Wow - what a mess.  I haven't ever heard of that term - cricket.  We do have lots of crickets here in our front yard, however.  If we hold the door open too long when coming home at night, we get to listen to them all through the wee, dark hours, temporary guests of our home.  I wonder why the roofing term is called cricket...because it has a crook in it?

Posted by Cara Marcelle Mancuso, Call a Marana neighbor, I'm THERE! LONG REALTY (Long Realty - Dove Mountain, Marana AZ) about 9 years ago

Jay, love the title! I can even hear it in an English accent! I find the picture on the chimney fascinating, because it looks like the roofers went overboard with shingles etc. so everyone that looks at that might think they've done a good job... just goes to show what happens when you look under the lipstick and mascara!

Posted by Peg Barcelo, The FlufftasticStager from Summerland, BC (Fluff My House! Home Staging Inc. 250.486.6369) about 9 years ago

I've always suspected that the character name for Jimmney Cricket, the Disney cartoon character, may have been derived from the carpenters nomenclenture for this roofing detail.

Posted by Robert Butler, Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection (Aspect Inspection) about 9 years ago

Daniel - it is very common.  But this leak is on a newly-installed roof and severe!

Cara - I no know!  Our yard as well, and don't keep the door open!

Peg - glad you heard it with an accent!  And, I didn't check - that might be a big piles of shingles instead of wood underneath!

Robert - don't know!  They probably needed a little character that could perch on a shoulder or hat.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Always wondered why they were called crickets. Even with building for 20 years the framers just said "It is a cricket", but had no idea why.

Posted by Than Maynard, Broker - Licensed to List & Sell - 405-990-8862 (Coldwell Banker Heart of Oklahoma) about 9 years ago

Things catch on, Than, and the entomology often escapes us!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay -- wondering if they had put proper flashing under the shingles.  Or if there was flashing there before?

Posted by Steven Cook (No Longer Processing Mortgages.) about 9 years ago

I couldn't see, Steven, and that day I wasn't going up there!  It was raining cats and dogs, and had been for a couple of days!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay,

It seems that when work is performed on roof that the chimneys flashing is almost always compromised. Too many times roofers try to use existing flashings. This is a way too common occurrence.

Posted by Donald Hester, NCW Home Inspections, LLC (NCW Home Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

I agree Don.  Hard to tell if this is new or old flashing, but it looks new.  Either way, it ain't working!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

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