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"We Won't Fix Anything Unless It's A Code Violation"

More new construction fun!  And guess who it's with ... again?  And the same tricks - late afternoon phone call, the inspection needed to be done the next day, enormous amounts of insurance information - same old, same old.

The buyer called me in a panic.  We had previously corresponded many times, but she did had not been told the requirements the builder has pertaining to inspectors and inspections not realizing things were far enough along to have the inspection.  Even though I had warned her, she did not believe me (they seldom do).  I told her to call the lady in the office back (we're buds) and to say that "Jay" was doing the inspection, she would have her information overnight and we would be there at 7am the next morning.

My office buddy offered a new wrinkle, "We won't fix anything unless it's a code violation."

YEAH, RIGHT!  Why do they keep trying to pull this, um, this stuff?

May I offer two of the things they fixed the very afternoon of our inspection?  Were they against the code?  I HAVE NO IDEA!

#1 - This little beauty is a vent that starts in the powder room on the first level, passes through two floors to exit through the wall above one third-level bedroom, to travel another 25' or so to the left of this photo to exit through the roof.

Can a powder room fan push air up and that far?  I HAVE NO IDEA!

How far is that air pushed?  I calculate 50'+.  What size fan is needed to handle that distance?  I HAVE NO IDEA!

Does the code cover the size of a fan and how far a vent tube can extend before it exits through a roof?  I HAVE NO IDEA!

Worse, just a couple of feet to the left of this photo is the little anomaly seen below.

Gee, ain't it perty?

The insulation around that very solid vent tubing is missing just a bit.

Won't that create condensation inside the tubing?  Why yes, yes I think it just might!

Where will that condensation collect?  I'm going to guess it will collect in that little hitch in the get along, seen above.  I pushed on the bottom of that little, teensy downward bulge and, heaven to Betsy, it was already full of water!  Why I bet the cover on the roof wasn't there the whole time!

THAT'S WHAT MADE THAT EXCELLENT TAPE JOB TO THE RIGHT COME LOOSE AND EXPOSE THE VENT TUBE AS IT STRETCHED FROM THE WATER WEIGHT!

Hey, eventually won't that tube fill with enough water to prevent air from passing through that improvised trap above?  Why, yes, yes I think it just might!

Does the code DEMAND that the builder fix this interesting arrangement?  I HAVE NO IDEA!  But they did...

#2 - While they were at it, they also fixed this little beauty above the master bathroom!

If you are going to do something in life, BE CONSISTENT!

And these vent guys are nothing, nothing I tell you, if they are not CONSISTENT!

Were these two vents the only thing the builder fixed following my inspection?  You already know the answer to that!

Were all the things they fixed because of the code?  I HAVE NO IDEA!

But I do know those things were schmuck work and that's why they got fixed!

And my little bud in the office knows that if they don't fix them, that information might just get out into the public...

My recommendation:  when the builders play their games, don't participate!  And when they say they won't fix things unless they are code violations, don't buy that either!  Why?  Schmuck work is schmuck work, and they won't want it attached to them in public.

And my office buddy is probably thinking that I am the only home inspector in the area!

 

 

Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC  

Based in Bristow, serving all of Northern Virginia.

Office (703) 330-6388   Cell (703) 585-7560

www.jaymarinspect.com


Comment balloon 91 commentsJay Markanich • August 13 2011 06:07AM

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Good morning, Jay. I find that buyers having a "word of prayer" with builders often fixes a lot of stuff, codes or no codes... 

Posted by Michael Thornton, Nashville Area - Photography & Videography (RadnorLake Video) about 9 years ago

I would like to say I am speechless, but thanks to your posts on the subject of new home inspections, I am not.

Posted by Anne M. Costello (Weidel Realtors) about 9 years ago

My buddy in the office may not think to go there Michael.  She has interests to protect!

Anne - these things happen!  Often that same thing happens to the flexible, slinky-like HVAC ducts, which will prevent them from blowing air.  But this was a classic I needed to share!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Good morning, Jay.....that's incredible....I'm thankful that my builders don't do work like that....

Posted by Barbara Todaro, Previously Affiliated with The Todaro Team (RE/MAX Executive Realty - Retired ) about 9 years ago

Some things just make you blink, right Miss Barb!?

I hear this is catching on everywhere, so you will be in for it soon...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

I'm going to sound like a broken record but "doesn't that buyer have an agent?"

 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) about 9 years ago

In this case no Lenn.  She is buying this townhouse with the help of a county program.  And it's the county surrounding the home you sit in right now.  She told me the people in that office (and I don't remember which program it is now) will be representing her, and I told her good luck. 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

There is not a "program" in my market area of Maryland and Northern Virginia wherein a buyer is denied the use of a buyer's agent.  Not a one. 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) about 9 years ago

Jay: What an eye opener that's all I can say! Came over from Lenn's reblog.

Posted by Hella Mitschke Rothwell, Hawaii & California Real Estate Broker ((831) 626-4000) about 9 years ago

Yes, it seems that some builders thrive on innocent home owners that just don't know any better.  Great pt by Lenn that they need a buyer's agent.

Posted by Debbie Gartner, The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers (The Flooring Girl) about 9 years ago

Lenn - I am sure this twenty-something buyer has little idea of all she must know and is trusting those at the "agency" who is helping her.  She found me through a friend and liked what she saw on the internet about me.  I'm glad she did.  I even went back, gratis, to look at the insulation, which was supposed to be in at the time of our inspection but, so very surprisingly, wasn't...  As you know, that house isn't near mine.

Hella - we have lots and lots of eye openers on new construction!  That's why inspections are imperative.

Thanks for the points sdgw.  I can't imagine you get a lot of business from my posts.

Debbie - and this girl really is innocent.  She has no agent, probably due partially to ignorance, and partially to trust in the agency helping her.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Yeah, The Code prohibits both of those installations... not that it matters :)

Posted by Reuben Saltzman, Delivering the Unbiased Truth. (Structure Tech Home Inspections) about 9 years ago

For sure, Reubs, but what it says I don't know.  In any minimum standard I would think things should flow, um, up!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago
I recently had to deal with a builder who had done a renovation. He kept slamming the home inspection report saying it wasn't a code violation. We ended up walking as he was just too unreasonable.
Posted by Christine Smith, Exclusive Buyer Agent & Attorney, Canton, MA (Buyers Brokers Only LLC - www.BuyersBrokersOnly.com) about 9 years ago

Christine - that is a builder who does not understand the difference between code violation and best practice.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay - A few people will sing high praise... Many will utter negative comments... it is best as you say to fix it and have the good word prevail. Best, G

Posted by Gay E. Rosen, As Real as Real Estate Gets! (Julia B. Fee Sotheby's International Realty) about 9 years ago

Code; what all schmucks try to hide behind. It's too bad the public isn't better informed as to the diffference between code as best practice.

Posted by James Quarello, Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) about 9 years ago

Gay - I agree.  And I hope it is fixed right.

Jim - pretty much what I said to Christine above.  The code is a floor, and should not be held up as some vaunted practice!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago
Sounds like that builder needs a few better quality subs in the line up right now.
Posted by Cheryl Ritchie, Southern Maryland 301-980-7566 (RE/MAX Leading Edge www.GoldenResults.com) about 9 years ago

Another great example as to why all buyers need to hire a professional home inspector--for both new construction and resales.

Posted by Peggy Duffy (The Bailey Team Real Estate) about 9 years ago

Oy Vey!  I always wonder how some builders stay in business.  I really appreciate the ones I work with, but there are plenty out there that are total schmucks (as you so rightly described).

Posted by Mike Cooper, GRI, Your Neighborhood Real Estate Sales Pro (Cornerstone Business Group Inc) about 9 years ago

One of the rare moments when Lenn and I think alike...shivers... Is this Buyer represented by an Agent or firm?

Posted by Mike Mayer (Mike Mayer, Broker/Owner - i List For Less Realty, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay, you're doing a great job watching out for the public.  When do you think this builder wake up and realize it might be easier to just go with the flow?

Posted by Gabe Sanders, Stuart Florida Real Estate (Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales) about 9 years ago

Good morning Jay. Don't know what's scarier, how many buyers think new builds don't need an inspection or how many new builds that need one. New does not mean good. You have a great eye. Wish you were here in Michigan.

Posted by Randy Ostrander, Real Estate Broker, Serving Big Rapids and West Central MI (Lake and Lodge Realty LLC ) about 9 years ago

Good morning Jay,

Another great blog proving the point of the necessity of a thorough home inspection - even on new construction!  Great information in your blog, thanks for sharing!

Posted by Lisa Von Domek, ....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless! (Lisa Von Domek Team) about 9 years ago

Jay, what surprises me is the builder's quality control doesn't catch these things in the beginning. Again this proves the importance of new home inspections.

Posted by Michael Setunsky, Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA about 9 years ago

I'm book marking this for the next time a new construction buyer wants to cheap out on a professional inspection.

Posted by Doug Rogers, Your Alexandria Louisiana Agent (Bayou Properties) about 9 years ago

Getting some thing to work and then getting it to work properly are two different things.  Good educational post Jay...

Posted by Richie Alan Naggar, agent & author (people first...then business Ran Right Realty ) about 9 years ago

I'd make sure the local building inspectors take a look at that and make sure it's done right.  I'd be surprised if any town would allow a builder to get away with that.

Posted by Bryan Robertson about 9 years ago

Jay - I can't imagine why a reputable builder (perhaps I'm assuming too much) would take such a belligerent attitude.  It seems to me the better approach would be to welcome an inspection--disagree if appropriate, but at least present the appearance of concern for their customer. 

(You may have missed the Shoe Spam left as a comment above)

Posted by John Mulkey, Housing Guru (TheHousingGuru.com) about 9 years ago

Developers would rather sell direct to the unsuspecting and non-critical public and not deal with agents and inspectors who can interfere with selling slapped up housing as fast as possible.

Posted by Robert Butler, Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection (Aspect Inspection) about 9 years ago

Part of the problem is poor design. It you want all the vents at the back or in the rear roof plane where they are less visible to/from the street, then have the plans drawn so all the equipment, kitchens and baths are placed on the side or half away from the street.

It's when the sub-trades have to extend and adapt their systems to a poorly thought out design that the problems get built in or left to be dealt with by others.`

Posted by Robert Butler, Montreal Home Inspector | Aspect Inspection (Aspect Inspection) about 9 years ago

Great post! 

Posted by Lisa Ackerson, CRS - Dallas Fort Worth Area Expert (JP and Associates REALTORS®) about 9 years ago

Shame that some companies cannot take pride in their work. I really feel sorry for the homeowner. That is why as a real estate agent I recommend competent tradesmen and home inspectors. ~ Great post.

Posted by David Popoff, Realtor®,SRS, Green ~ Fairfield County, Ct (DMK Real Estate ) about 9 years ago

That "arrangement" does not look good at all.  I hate that flex tubing stuff.

Posted by Justin Dibbs, REALTOR® - Ashburn Virginia Homes for Sale (Pearson Smith Realty) about 9 years ago

Jay, I always recommend that buyers get a home inspection on new construction...especially before predrywall.  You get to see what the bones looks like.

I hate those late afternoon calls too.  I like to be at my inspections and it really makes it difficult to 1. order one and 2. attend one.

I've started telling my buyers that builders don't communicate with me so I ask them to keep me in the loop.

I'm going to bookmark too.

Thanks for sharing.

Posted by Nancy Pav, Nancy Pav, Your "GottaHave" Realtor (Century 21 Redwood Realty) about 9 years ago

Jay:

I rarely sell new homes.  But if I did represent a buyer, I would still strongly suggest that the buyer have a property inspection.  An inspection of every home is the best thing a buyer can do to insure that they know all about the house, good or bad.

Posted by Evelyn Kennedy, Alameda, Real Estate, Alameda, CA (Alain Pinel Realtors) about 9 years ago

Wonderfull...as always!!  Hey Jay...I got it...these are "vent traps"!!

Happy Trails!!

Posted by Rob Smith (Rob Smith Property Investigations) about 9 years ago

That little bit about water already collecting in the low point....Jay, I just don't know how they think they'll get away with it.

Posted by John M. Scott, Broker / Owner San Francisco Bay Area (BRE # 01442690, Scott Keys Properties) about 9 years ago

Cheryl - and not from the 7-11.

Peggy - I've done new construction for 12 or more years.  They are essential.

Mike C. - this is a big, national builder.  But their policies seem to change from neighborhood to neighborhood!

Mike M. - a county agency, helping her to buy the house.  She is young and ignorant in thinking they will do for her what an agent would.

Gabe - when they've got their restrictions to the point that no inspector qualifies.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Thanks Randy.  But I like to take the heat, so to speak, and not so much the cold!

You're welcome Lisa.  I share things as I come across them!

Michael - "quality control" is almost as big a word as "if"...

Doug - an inspection is cheap at twice the price.

Exactly Richie.  Personally I couldn't care less about the minimum standards imposed by the code.  Now, best practice is very interesting to me.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Bryan - the county has not been by yet.  Would they catch this?  I don't know.

John - this is my fourth new construction inspection with this builder in a month.  And you know who they are.  Hint:  they heard a who...

And thanks, but I already got the points for reporting that ad.  Good thing I caught them before I left this morning.  Just got home!

Robert - you are certainly right about that first comment.  As to the second, I think a vent tube that length, even properly inclined, is way, way too long.  The vents all went through the roof, including the dryer.  I really don't like dryers venting through the roof.

Thanks Lisa.  Stop by any time!

Thanks David.  And good that you do!  I'm sure your clients understand your position and very much appreciate it.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Justin - even insulated it is junk.  The shorter the run the better with those things.

They pull those tricks for a reason Nancy.  And they don't want you in the loop!

Evelyn - the more due diligence the buyer can perform the better!

Thanks Rob - traps they are!  And not as wonderful as that whale in your hands!

John - for sure.  Wait until winter and condensation!  That was a big problem from the start.  At least they were consistent on both vents!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay - Yes, I know that company well, with "inside" info.  Customer care is only in the brochure.

Posted by John Mulkey, Housing Guru (TheHousingGuru.com) about 9 years ago

Thought you might...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay,

I am becoming crotchety. I cannot do an inspection on short notice, except in the rarest of circumstances, like once a year if someone canceled. And I just flat will not do one that starts after 10am. I do not want to stay up half the night trying to get a report out.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham WA Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc.) about 9 years ago
Jay - good stuff. I am subscribing so I can get more home inspector insights on what to watch out for. There is nothing worse to a builder or flip investor than an informed Realtor educating their buyers.
Posted by Andi Grant, Helping 1st time buyers and home sellers in LA! (310-508-4354 | FirstTimeHomeBuyerRealEstate.com) about 9 years ago

Jay -- It would be interesting to find out what the lenders in the area would say, if they knew a builder was making it nearly impossible for buyers to have their potential property properly inspected.  One begins to wonder what else they may be hiding -- and if the building would actually last as long as the mortgage.  Have a great Sunday!

Posted by Steven Cook (No Longer Processing Mortgages.) about 9 years ago

That is a tight rule Steve!  I try to be accommodating to needs, but sometimes it isn't possible.  And becoming crotchety...?

Thanks Andi - and enjoy.  There are a lot of great home inspectors on AR who post great stuff.  Look around!

Steven - I will see one at church today and will ask him!  Since most people are in their houses only a few years, it may be that the lenders don't care.  And most mortgages are resold inside of a couple of years too.  But I will ask him!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay, I guess I think a little like you.  The Building Code is the "minimum" standard, and the base of your building practices, not your ceiling...

Posted by Chris Smith, South Simcoe, Caledon, King, Orangeville Real Esta (Re/Max Chay Realty Inc., Brokerage) about 9 years ago

Several years ago, as the result of an inspection, a friend ended up canceling their contract for a new home.   

I became a believer after what happened to them...  Scary what builders will attempt to pass off to new home owners...

Posted by Doreen McPherson, Phoenix Arizona Real Estate ~ (Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe) about 9 years ago

Witty post pointing out the pitfalls of a buyer going it alone with a shoddy builder.  I can see a Re-Blog:-)

Posted by Dana Wilkinson, Broker-Your TX agent for The Woodlands-Spring-Conr (Connect Realty, The Woodlands, TX) about 9 years ago

Jay I congratulate you and stand straight with these builders we need more persons with guts like you.

 

 

 

Posted by George P. Cruz Sr., PSL FL CDPE, TRC, CIPS (Premier Brokers International) about 9 years ago

Most buyers do not even have inspections in new homes and would have missed this. I am lucky that i work with some great bulders who oversee their sub contractors enough that this would not have been allowed from the start, It is important for buyers to have an agent who is well experienced with new construction to be able to offer the guidance the buyer needs. Thanks for sharing these items...

Posted by Scott Godzyk, One of the Manchester NH's area Leading Agents (Godzyk Real Estate Services) about 9 years ago
Before I was an agent we bought new construction. No agent, no inspection. What a mistake!!! We had no fall in our plumbing. It took a while to back up. After the two year warranty and right after we finished our basement. Thousands of dollars later we learned our lesson. A valuable lesson I can now pass on to my buyers.
Posted by EliSabeth McDermot about 9 years ago
Wow! I can't believe they'd let that go. It's obvious that this builder doesn't care about quality. The subs aren't the ones to blame. A good builder would never let that pass. It makes you wonder what else was botched. Good job for posting it.
Posted by John Andrews (Firebird Realty) about 9 years ago

Interesting things you always find Jay. Definately schmuck work - if I was the builder I would have the workmen fined who did the vent work.

Posted by Lyn Sims, Schaumburg Real Estate (RE/MAX Suburban) about 9 years ago

Simply amazing the excuses and comments buidlers come up with!

Just the other day, the builder for my client finally had reached the end of his excuse list and just simply said "We're a production builder.  We don't make custom homes  which is why you can't expect perfection..."

   Nice Post Jay!

Posted by Bill Warner, Infrared Thermal Inspector (BC Warner Inspections) about 9 years ago

Whew!   I'll bet that buyer was happy to have you as an inspector, Jay!   That's just sloppy awful work!

Posted by Dagny Eason, Fairfield County CT, CDPE Homes For Sale and Condo (Dagny's Real Estate) about 9 years ago

I'm curious why building code inspectors approved this type of construction beginning from the plan check desk?

Posted by Kimo Jarrett, Pro Lifestyle Solutions (WikiWiki Realty) about 9 years ago

Jay I love your blogs!  I love seeing the stuff they try to get away with and are foiled again!  Thanks!

Posted by Marge Piwowarski, Phoenix AZ Horse Property, LLC (Phoenix AZ Horse Property) about 9 years ago

It is minimum Chris, and not impressive.  So I wouldn't advertise it if I was a builder!

Doreen - I know clients who have canceled their contract because of such shoddy work too!

Thanks Dana.  There are many pitfalls for buyers who don't have competent representation.

Thank you George.  That is very kind to say.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Scott - an inspection is essential, pre-drywall and a final.  I do them all the time.

Elizabeth - some things take time to develop.  It's best to see them when the house is skeletal.

John - this problem took more than on sub to make it happen.  And you're right, the supervisor should have caught it long before this inspection!

Lyn - it's hard to fire people who come so cheaply from the 7-11...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Wow, Bill, that says it all!  You should have come back with, "That's a pathetic answer!  You wouldn't do this on your house, so why do it on someone else's!"

Then, the final coup de grace, stick your tongue out and wag your butt.  The total dis is now complete.

Dagny - she was very appreciative.  And didn't know about pre-drywall inspections until a friend told her to call me!

Don't know Kimo, but I don't think the county has been by for their inspections yet either.

Thank you Marge!  I'm glad you enjoy them!  We try to be instructive.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

If they do things like that where it can be seen, what do they do where it can't be seen?

Posted by Marte Cliff, Your real estate writer (Marte Cliff Copywriting) about 9 years ago

Thanks for sharing.  There are some sellers who just don't understand they need to provide a good product to get a good price and actually have a closing.

Posted by Rob Rosa, Personal Real Estate Expert (Berkshire Hathaway) about 9 years ago

Great post Jay and great comments/discussion too!  Any buyer who doesn't hire a good agent, lender, inspector team when they go looking is hanging it out there a bit IMHO!  

Posted by Kent Dills, Real Estate 817-495-8028, Bellingham, Washington (Broker, Dills Real Estate) about 9 years ago

I love when you worded it as "little beauty" as that is not attractive at all. thanks for sharing

Posted by Maria Gilda Racelis, Home Ownership is w/in Reach. We Make it Happen! (Home Buyers Realty, LLC-Manchester, Bolton. Vernon,Ellington) about 9 years ago

Marte - THAT is the real reason to do a pre-drywall inspection!  This is the only time the house is skeletal.

Rob - and builders are trying to get out the cheapest product possible.

I agree Kent.  I think they are hanging out there a lot!

What Maria - you don't think that arrangement is a little beauty?   ;>)

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Thank you everyone for your reblogs!  I am glad you think this important enough to share.  I do too...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Dying to know who this builder is.   Scary stuff, Jay.

Posted by Coral Gundlach, Real Lives. Not Just Real Estate. (Compass) about 9 years ago

You know them Coral!  See my hint in answer #43...

See John's response in #45.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay - great article.  How did they fix the problem and what would have been the "best Practice" in the first place?  It seems like those vents were going forrever, how should it be done?

Posted by Ann Wilkins, Oakland, Berkeley, Piedmont CA (Golden Gate Sotheby's International Realty) about 9 years ago

So nice of your office buddy willing to fix code violations,  I'm sure the local building department  would like them fixed also. 

Posted by Michael Singh,Broker (Singh Real Estate) about 9 years ago

Better practice would have been a shorter vent line Ann, with a solid metal vent.  Inclining it toward the roof is okay, but the run is super long.

Michael - sometimes I think they use me to find problems before the county comes over.  Then the county tells them how good they are!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay , if I were you , I would ask for manufacturers installation guide information on the proper venting installation & maximum distance for venting , taking the number of elbows into account. If they won't provide it , then you can get it online with the model numbers off the units . Most codes usually reference installation per manufacturers instructions . Most installation instructions get thrown into the onsite dumpsters as you already know . Keepin' it Green !

Posted by Edward D. Nikles (Ed Nikles Custom Builder , Inc. / Nikles Realty , Inc.) about 9 years ago

Ed - that's a great thought but way beyond my purview because I cannot supersede the local jurisdictional authority.  The county will be looking at this and they are notified that the problem exists.  For all I know the fan is too small.  AND, if the problem exists in this house, what do you bet it's in all of them!  I bet it is!  So they can force whatever upgrades or changes that are necessary, I can't.  You probably already know that.  I am scum to the builders! 

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay, I think you should clone yourself and send one to Orange County, CA. I know plenty of people who think new construction does not need a home inpsection!

Posted by Sylvia Jonathan, Broker Associate, SFR (Coldwell Banker Platinum Properties) about 9 years ago

Ignorance is bliss, my dear Sylvia, until something teaches a different lesson!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Good information.

Posted by Jim McCormack, Nashville Short Sale REALTOR - Stop Foreclosure (Nashville Short Sale Specialist - Jim McCormack - Edge Advantage Realty, LLC - 615-784-EDGE (3343)) about 9 years ago

Thanks Jim.  I have a lot of posts on pre-drywall problems such as this.  They are exceptionally common.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay,

This is a good example of why you need an agent and a Home Inspector when buying a new home.

Posted by Gene Riemenschneider, Turning Houses into Homes (Home Point Real Estate) about 9 years ago

It is Gene.  And people have a tendency to trust gubment agencies to "help" them...

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Always do inspection even if its new construction. Hate surprises and phone calls after the fact.

Posted by Bill Reddington, Destin Florida Real Estate (Re/max By The Sea) about 9 years ago

Thanks Bill.  New construction is really important to look at.

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay: At least she had the sense to hire an inspector even if she didn't realize she could have an agent looking out for her best interests. We have a client currently who had visited a new home community where the sales person told them they would get a "better deal" if they didn't have a real estate agent. I loved that one. Carrie

Posted by Carrie Sampron, ABR SFR & Kathy Sampron (303) 931-3629 Highlands R (Home Smart Realty Group) about 9 years ago

Wow Carrie!  They will say anything!  At least get an inspection!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

You just have to imagine the guys who strung that tubing at the end of the day.  On the way home, what would one think about what one did on the job.  They cannot possibly possess a clue!!  There is no other explanation.  As for "we won't this and we won't that", it's a lot of bluster as empty as that tubing.  Oops, I forgot about the water in the tubing!

Posted by Beverly Femia, Broker Realtor Stager - Greater Wilmington, NC Are (BlueCoast Realty Corporation) about 9 years ago

Beverly - I have to imagine a lot of things when I do pre-drywall inspections!  What were they thinking is only one of them!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 9 years ago

Jay, I always seem to find myself clicking on your blogs. Just love the way you put words on paper and wish more inspectors did. All the best!

Posted by Elisa Uribe Realtor #01427070, Opening the Doors to California Homes -East Bay (Golden Gate Sotheby's International) almost 9 years ago

Well, Elisa, you found an oldie but a goodie!  Thank you very much!  I am glad you get something out of them!  I do try to be instructive.  That's the point of this whole thing!

Posted by Jay Markanich, Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) almost 9 years ago

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